Future of FL/ FL Dying (18/75)

[Alphaverse]

A way we could also choose is advertising. And no I don't have a newspaper article in mind.

But for example get some big youtubers on the server, make FL a topic in other forums, Better use and spreading of gametracker FL ranks and stuff. Better spreading of FL youtube vids. Creating guides for players on how to start that explain everything and jobs and stuff in the forums.

It doesnt help to get new players by pretending we are a DarkRP server. That will give them wrong expectations. And new players also don't help if we cant keep them cause they dont know what or how to do things

[ryan!]

A way we could also choose is advertising. And no I don't have a newspaper article in mind.

But for example get some big youtubers on the server, make FL a topic in other forums, Better use and spreading of gametracker FL ranks and stuff. Better spreading of FL youtube vids. Creating guides for players on how to start that explain everything and jobs and stuff in the forums.

It doesnt help to get new players by pretending we are a DarkRP server. That will give them wrong expectations. And new players also don't help if we cant keep them cause they dont know what or how to do things

Add this to the list of things that will never work. Adding unrealistic ideas to the conversation just pulls away from the solutions that will really make a difference. People have said "we need to advertise" for years and nothing ever happens because that is just not a real solution. Paying a youtuber to come casino RP with 10 people isn't going to make anyone want to join the server.

We would advertise as a Semi-serious RP in the Darkrp section (Like servers already do.) New players will learn the same way everyone else did, by getting on and figuring things out and asking questions. Did you join fearless and instantly look on the forums to see some good RPing tips? No, because that doesn't even make any fucking sense. Isn't this the entire reason teachers exist? Don't they spam their "/help for RP related questions" for this reason? Just say you blindly think DarkRP is bad instead of making points like these that are unproductive to the conversation.

[konsta]

I have brought this up before and I'll gladly do it again.

One of the main issues is the staff, which we all already know about.
They're lacking in experience, skill, competence, quality and even quantity at the time of writing this.

Bring in applications. Let the dedicated ones show their determination. Instead of picking up rotten apples into your basket with nurturing ones that'll eventually turn rotten as well due to how poor these apples are picked up. Let the apples come to you. Get a good look at them, and see which ones are the ones that shine the most.

Almost every thriving big gaming community, GMod communities for example, does this and they have a great bunch of staff. They were picked up, not because of some biased admins that seemed to like them, but because they were reviewed carefully.

FL is at a turning point, and I will ensure that it'll improve the quality of the staff.

(Not doing this for the meme for once. I genuinely want FL to overcome this.)

I think this is just a horrible take. What is the admin team doing that is actively hurting the server? Yeah they aren't good, but if we demote all of them and promote the best admins in the world that doesn't stop the fact that only 20 care to get on the servers everyday. Shitting on Devs and admins is the ez brain dead approach trying to fix FL. It is almost 100% the visibility of the server. Every other take is almost completely useless and wrong. 

The only conversation that should be going on here is whether or not going to DarkRP is something the community is okay with, or if they would rather have the server die. Those are the 2 very clear and easy options.

You wouldn't call it a brain dead approach if you knew how many players stopped playing because of bad experiences with some of the staff members and how everything is dealt with.

[ryan!]

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You wouldn't call it a brain dead approach if you knew how many players stopped playing because of bad experiences with some of the staff members and how everything is dealt with.

I doubt it. If you think this staff team is even close to the most unfair you are insane. I would guess 15 people in the past 2 years have quit fearless mainly do to the fact the admins are not good, but the people who do are obviously beyond stupid. Catering to the 1% of absolute idiots isn't the smartest approach here.

[Alphaverse]

A way we could also choose is advertising. And no I don't have a newspaper article in mind.

But for example get some big youtubers on the server, make FL a topic in other forums, Better use and spreading of gametracker FL ranks and stuff. Better spreading of FL youtube vids. Creating guides for players on how to start that explain everything and jobs and stuff in the forums.

It doesnt help to get new players by pretending we are a DarkRP server. That will give them wrong expectations. And new players also don't help if we cant keep them cause they dont know what or how to do things

Add this to the list of things that will never work. Adding unrealistic ideas to the conversation just pulls away from the solutions that will really make a difference. People have said "we need to advertise" for years and nothing ever happens because that is just not a real solution. Paying a youtuber to come casino RP with 10 people isn't going to make anyone want to join the server.

We would advertise as a Semi-serious RP in the Darkrp section (Like servers already do.) New players will learn the same way everyone else did, by getting on and figuring things out and asking questions. Did you join fearless and instantly look on the forums to see some good RPing tips? No, because that doesn't even make any fucking sense. Isn't this the entire reason teachers exist? Don't they spam their "/help for RP related questions" for this reason? Just say you blindly think DarkRP is bad instead of making points like these that are unproductive to the conversation.

The idea isn't unrealistic.. Just because it was never really done? Just for you to know: I only bought GMod and joined FL because of a YOUTUBER. Without him I wouldn't even own this game. I only bought it because I loved the videos he made on FL and wanted to join it myself.

And with the DarkRP argument: Why not put it in the TTT area? Would be the same: You expect a gamemode you know and have an idea how it works. And if it is not thr case you would leave. At least I would because I want to play what I expected when I joined.

And whats wrong with putting guides and tips in the forums? Who said that you can't implement the threads ingame? Who said that you can't advertise them ingame? Teachers could manage and update such threads as they should know the most as a whole. Would just offer ways for players to understand it. It just can't work if it is never done.

[ryan!]

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The idea isn't unrealistic.. Just because it was never really done? Just for you to know: I only bought GMod and joined FL because of a YOUTUBER. Without him I wouldn't even own this game. I only bought it because I loved the videos he made on FL and wanted to join it myself.

And with the DarkRP argument: Why not put it in the TTT area? Would be the same: You expect a gamemode you know and have an idea how it works. And if it is not thr case you would leave. At least I would because I want to play what I expected when I joined.

And whats wrong with putting guides and tips in the forums? Who said that you can't implement the threads ingame? Who said that you can't advertise them ingame? Teachers could manage and update such threads as they should know the most as a whole. Would just offer ways for players to understand it. It just can't work if it is never done.

Have you ever been on DarkRP? I'm not going to talk to you if you think TTT is as similar to Fearless as DarkRP.

The point I am trying to make is we need major change if you want more than 20 people to be on FL. Sure we could pay a youtuber and get 5 extra people to join and realize the servers are dead, but that isn't going to make the server actually grow. 

and this: https://fearlessrp.net/forumdisplay.php?fid=85

[Fultz]

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The idea isn't unrealistic.. Just because it was never really done? Just for you to know: I only bought GMod and joined FL because of a YOUTUBER. Without him I wouldn't even own this game. I only bought it because I loved the videos he made on FL and wanted to join it myself.

You are truthfully the first person I heard who joined Fearless because of a youtuber. Not saying there is others but either way. Most of the community has joined Fearless in two different ways. 1 being they joined off a friend who was playing on Fearless and then in turn began playing Fearless (This is how I was). Or 2 they joined off the legacy browser when looking for a new server to join. This second option use to be a good option with the old legacy browser because you didn't see the servers branched off into sections as heavily and you could search for servers just based on population which at the time Fearless was on the top of the list so the server would just repopulate consistently. The problem we face is 1 not as many people are joining off of friends anymore. I truly dont have a reason as to why this is the case, I could throw out ideas as to why, but either way there is a large decline in that. So we must attempt to fix the second of the issues which is Fearless is not as visible as it was before in terms of the browser on Garrysmod. Moving to DarkRP would provide no negative affects. It would not change how the server would function. There are semi serious as well as serious servers listed in DarkRP so we will not be taking up space that is not justified. If people have an issue with what we are selling as a community they will leave, but them leaving is still a positive because they joined the server providing us with another player. It is then our job to keep them afterwards.

And with the DarkRP argument: Why not put it in the TTT area? Would be the same: You expect a gamemode you know and have an idea how it works. And if it is not thr case you would leave. At least I would because I want to play what I expected when I joined.

I am sorry, but this argument makes zero sense. No placing Fearless in TTT in comparison to DarkRP is not the same. First of all Dark RP is where Fearless was originally located back when. Because it is a section for ROLEPLAY servers. While TTT has zero aspects of roleplay. Roleplay is roleplay and if that is the grave you want to sit in, so be it. The only differences between CityRP and DarkRP is we maintain a more serious notion when it comes to models, rules, and in general community. Instead of being completely against the idea how about you consider the fact there are potentially players who are in DarkRP looking for something more serious than the general mess about of your basic DarkRP server and once they find our server located there they become genuinely strong players in our community? Negativity with outlandish claims leads to nothing and gets us no where. There is no negatives to moving the server into the DarkRP section.

And whats wrong with putting guides and tips in the forums? Who said that you can't implement the threads ingame? Who said that you can't advertise them ingame? Teachers could manage and update such threads as they should know the most as a whole. Would just offer ways for players to understand it. It just can't work if it is never done.

There is nothing wrong with putting guidelines in the f1 menu. Do it. Why has it taken this long for you to come up with this idea and not implement it? We already have plenty of guidelines? Do it. I am going to level with you though. If I am a new player the last thing I am doing is sitting down and reading guidelines for hours before I feel like starting to play. I would rather use the teachers for questions I have in regards to roleplay if they are actively making it available to me.

[Alphaverse]

I am sorry, but this argument makes zero sense. No placing Fearless in TTT in comparison to DarkRP is not the same. First of all Dark RP is where Fearless was originally located back when. Because it is a section for ROLEPLAY servers. While TTT has zero aspects of roleplay. Roleplay is roleplay and if that is the grave you want to sit in, so be it. The only differences between CityRP and DarkRP is we maintain a more serious notion when it comes to models, rules, and in general community. Instead of being completely against the idea how about you consider the fact there are potentially players who are in DarkRP looking for something more serious than the general mess about of your basic DarkRP server and once they find our server located there they become genuinely strong players in our community? Negativity with outlandish claims leads to nothing and gets us no where. There is no negatives to moving the server into the DarkRP section.

You may be right with that and i also thought about this side. But there will be sooo many other players who will just mess around.. And if we aren't able to handle the current amount of people messing around that won't get any better. That's what i fear the most about it. Cause with more messing players there is also the risk of loosing more current ones.

[Fultz]

I am sorry, but this argument makes zero sense. No placing Fearless in TTT in comparison to DarkRP is not the same. First of all Dark RP is where Fearless was originally located back when. Because it is a section for ROLEPLAY servers. While TTT has zero aspects of roleplay. Roleplay is roleplay and if that is the grave you want to sit in, so be it. The only differences between CityRP and DarkRP is we maintain a more serious notion when it comes to models, rules, and in general community. Instead of being completely against the idea how about you consider the fact there are potentially players who are in DarkRP looking for something more serious than the general mess about of your basic DarkRP server and once they find our server located there they become genuinely strong players in our community? Negativity with outlandish claims leads to nothing and gets us no where. There is no negatives to moving the server into the DarkRP section.

You may be right with that and i also thought about this side. But there will be sooo many other players who will just mess around.. And if we aren't able to handle the current amount of people messing around that won't get any better. That's what i fear the most about it. Cause with more messing players there is also the risk of loosing more current ones.

If that is how you feel that speaks wonders to your opinion on the current staff team. The team should be able to handle an influx of players and deal with them accordingly depending on the level of messing around. With a teacher team alongside to assist new players as well, there should be no issues with new players messing around. If that is the case, that is on the team.

[Mist]

I have brought this up before and I'll gladly do it again.

One of the main issues is the staff, which we all already know about.
They're lacking in experience, skill, competence, quality and even quantity at the time of writing this.

Bring in applications. Let the dedicated ones show their determination. Instead of picking up rotten apples into your basket with nurturing ones that'll eventually turn rotten as well due to how poor these apples are picked up. Let the apples come to you. Get a good look at them, and see which ones are the ones that shine the most.

Almost every thriving big gaming community, GMod communities for example, does this and they have a great bunch of staff. They were picked up, not because of some biased admins that seemed to like them, but because they were reviewed carefully.

FL is at a turning point, and I will ensure that it'll improve the quality of the staff.

(Not doing this for the meme for once. I genuinely want FL to overcome this.)

I think this is just a horrible take. What is the admin team doing that is actively hurting the server? Yeah they aren't good, but if we demote all of them and promote the best admins in the world that doesn't stop the fact that only 20 care to get on the servers everyday. Shitting on Devs and admins is the ez brain dead approach trying to fix FL. It is almost 100% the visibility of the server. Every other take is almost completely useless and wrong. 

The only conversation that should be going on here is whether or not going to DarkRP is something the community is okay with, or if they would rather have the server die. Those are the 2 very clear and easy options.

Well.. Picking out almost corrupt and unprofessional staff is one thing that the 'admin team' is doing wrong.

I never said that all of them had to be removed, but a reform to the team would certainly help the situation. I see that right now is not what needs to be done for FL in order to have more than 20 players a day, but it has core aspects of the reasoning why FL is getting so little players lately. Having an actual good staff is not by being biased and hand-picking those that RPs best with the staff constantly. You can't ignore the fact that some kind of bias goes into picking new members for the team.

I will agree with you, that in order to fix FL right now, sure we need the visibility to go up first of all. But by putting it in the DarkRP section will give two downsides to this.
1) We're not a DarkRP server. There's a major difference between the two gamemodes. It can easily attract the wrong kind of people that come in here with a mindset thinking that this is, what we have advertised by putting it into that category.. an actual FL-DarkRP. And then there's the problem.. We need a better and reformed staff to take care of the matter.
2) FL can easily get overrun by other and more lucrative servers if we put FL into the DarkRP category/section. In this case we'll obviously be hard to find.

And saying "ez brain dead approach", doesn't really help the situation. Try to approach this in a more professional manner