FearRP Explanation

[SourLemon]

Also, fearrp being off when you are hit only applies when you get shot at when you are not retrained. It does not apply when you are tied, people have complete control over your movement. If it was that case I could've run away every time I've been hit in a hostage situation.

[aDisabledDeer]

Also, fearrp being off when you are hit only applies when you get shot at when you are not retrained. It does not apply when you are tied, people have complete control over your movement. If it was that case I could've run away every time I've been hit in a hostage situation.

Exactly.

"Oh no he hit me while I was tied up and while about 6 people have their guns pointed at me, guess I should just casually walk off!"

[goigle!]

I'm merely here for discussion and out of respect for both parties, it would seem that both parties are in the wrong. If he really hit him without reason then OP would be in the wrong. However, in my opinion I still think FearRP should apply as he is tied up and as said in my previous comment.

He wasn't hit without reason, I don't remember exactly what provoked it but he did provoke it

[goigle!]

Alright while it looks like he was breaking fearRP, yes i know it looks like it, what you failed to tell them Dan is that it was either you or your group that originally hit him with a baseball bat (which may I say you had no reason to do so). After being knocked out he decided to run for his life as he was scared you would either A: Hit him again or B: kill him. You also forgot to mention or even record that bit as well as how you were being "hostile" towards us in the first place.

Are you saying that the fear of being hit again (non-fatally) outweighs the fear of being shot? Fear of dying wouldn't be a valid reason to run in this situation because he had no reasonable expectation to get to safety. We were following him both on foot and in a car and outnumbered him, if he was afraid of dying he would have stopped being rude or at the very least stopped talking.

Even then, what if we were a criminal group? Him running away would have led to him being shot fairly quickly, despite him being battered. FearRP currently makes no distinctions between criminal and police interactions.

[Ali]

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Nighthawkd, Why did you warn me for this post? ^
How is this warning worthy at all? I simply stated that he is stepping into grey area by posting a ban request that has been denied into a discussion forum.


I am allowed to ask:

5c.) Users who feel they have been unfairly warned are welcome to contact the administrators. Make sure to explain with proper arguments why you think the warning was not fair.

[Ali]

I just read over the post again, how come Nighthawkd was allowed to review the post even when the poster asked if Nighthawkd could please not review it because Nighthawkd would have obvious bias. Also I find it weird that Nighthawkd reviewed this case 7 minutes after it was posted as if he'd been waiting for the post to come out. Just my two cents.

(Nighthawkd, I am not accusing you of trying to hide evidence of Hitman rule breaking, I am simply observing the situation and commenting, which I am allowed to do on a discussion thread.)

[goigle!]

I just read over the post again, how come Nighthawkd was allowed to review the post even when the poster asked if Nighthawkd could please not review it because Nighthawkd would have obvious bias. Also I find it weird that Nighthawkd reviewed this case 7 minutes after it was posted as if he'd been waiting for the post to come out. Just my two cents.

(Nighthawkd, I am not accusing you of trying to hide evidence of Hitman rule breaking, I am simply observing the situation and commenting, which I am allowed to do on a discussion thread.)

Please get out of this thread. You have nothing to add.
Here's NightHawkd responding to another, unrelated, player report in 7 minutes.

People complain when the admins take too long to respond to player reports, now we complain if they respond too quickly?

I have no comment as to whether or not he should have responded to Dan's because I don't know staff policies on that.

He warned you for your post because you have nothing to add to the discussion, you are derailing the discussion, and you need to stop bringing up the same issue over and over and over again.

[Grunt]

This is grim... In real life if someone punches you and then points a gun at you and tells you not move or you'll get shot... you don't just run off because you are "scared"...

In what universe is someone's fists scarier than a AK47?

As you can see, other Moderators have similar opinions to the majority of the people on this thread; that being the clear violation of FearRP and this disgusting "invisible rules club" crap.

Honestly it looks like there is some cheeky admin abooze right here... and not the good kind of cheeky like cheeky nandos <3

[Ali]

I just read over the post again, how come Nighthawkd was allowed to review the post even when the poster asked if Nighthawkd could please not review it because Nighthawkd would have obvious bias. Also I find it weird that Nighthawkd reviewed this case 7 minutes after it was posted as if he'd been waiting for the post to come out. Just my two cents.

(Nighthawkd, I am not accusing you of trying to hide evidence of Hitman rule breaking, I am simply observing the situation and commenting, which I am allowed to do on a discussion thread.)

Please get out of this thread. You have nothing to add.
Here's NightHawkd responding to another, unrelated, player report in 7 minutes.

People complain when the admins take too long to respond to player reports, now we complain if they respond too quickly?

I have no comment as to whether or not he should have responded to Dan's because I don't know staff policies on that.

He warned you for your post because you have nothing to add to the discussion, you are derailing the discussion, and you need to stop bringing up the same issue over and over and over again.

Please get out of this thread. You have nothing to add. 

Here's NightHawkd responding to another, unrelated, player report in 7 minutes.

Thanks for your observation as I did not see that another player was dealt with soon after. Like I said I am not accusing him of anything I am just stating my observation.

People complain when the admins take too long to respond to player reports, now we complain if they respond too quickly?

It was an observation not a complaint.

He warned you for your post because you have nothing to add to the discussion

That post was simply telling him that if you post about a denied ban request in the discussion forum you have the chance of getting your post locked.

you are derailing the discussion

I was not derailing the discussion I was adding to it by pointing out a few things.

and you need to stop bringing up the same issue over and over and over again.

Not sure which issue I was repeating.

Thanks for your observations, but please try not to derail the discussion by attacking my post.

[Audacter]

Please note, this is an opinion of what I know of the rules and the evidence given in the report.
In my own personal opinion, and yes it is a grey area regarding rules, I believe that Hitman did in fact break FearRP.
I do see where you're coming from with the "Why should I stand still if their shooting me" and I totally agree with that, however if it is a non-lethal, such a baton, fists, bat ect then I think FearRP should still apply.
Ok little scenario here, you've been jumped by a group of people, after a heated discussion they are fed up with you and start to fire with the intent to kill you. Even if not stated in the rules, you'd run for your life like anyone would in real life. Why should you stand there and allow them to shoot you, however the reason this is a grey area is that sometimes in a situation it would be unrealistic to run, such as you're tied and awaiting execution and they happen to 'miss' their first shot.
I agree the rules need to be more clear and yes we are currently working on unwritten rules.
However if he was in the situation to run, in my opinion FearRP should be reset once tranqed. As you've just woken up with guns in your face and your still feeling the side effects of the tranquilizer.
Conclusion

• Official Conclusion: Regarding rule 2.1c he broke FearRP
  
• Unofficial Conclusion: From what I deem acceptable (Of running when getting shot at, but I think the tranq should reset it) I would say he broke it.
  

However as stated before this is a grey area and will need validating as different people see things differently.
Side note: This is a matter of opinion, not an attack on any of the parties involved. However I do think this need to be looked at.
Also I do apologize if this may seem contradictory at times, as of writing this I am quite tired.