2nd Amendment

[Dylan]

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I must admit it was a nice find with the other TJ quotes, but my point still stands, regardless of Penn an Teller: The second amendment, and the constitution for that matter, is NOT some holy book.

[Joey Skylynx]

It's not a holy book, but the 2nd Amendments existence is entirely a safe guard to the rest of the amendments.

[Dylan]

It's not a holy book, but the 2nd Amendments existence is entirely a safe guard to the rest of the amendments.

No, it's not a holy book, that is exactly what I am saying, but SOME people act as if it is, that not a word should be changed in it.

Probably the same people who spew their anti-homosexual, anti-socialism bullshit thoughts all the time, probably the same people who would be a christian, preach about how homosexuality is evil, but would ignore every part of the bible, if it didn't help them in some way, probably by the same sort of retards that made the "One Million Moms" campaign, and probably also most of Fox News' staff.

[Joey Skylynx]

As one man once said...
Nothing but another god damn politician sucking off to his own motherfucking ambitions.

[richardhammond]

we have to have the 2cd ammentment because its the most important one without the 2d ammendmant we cant defend the other amendments. the shooting was a false flag attack because of the un treaty bill a few weeks after. the best defence against tiereny is a well armed populace. we dont want to end up like the UK which is now a police state. without guns we have to take it in the ass from the goverment. look at [Image: 554946_428025127241178_47943642_n.jpg] just because some guy kills 12 people it doesnt mean ooh guns are bad. its 12 people, yes their people but that number is small. why do you think just the military should be the ones to have guns oh civilians cant handle it? what are the military they are people just like me and you the only thing that seperates us is their training. aslong as we have strict screenings to make sure crazy people dont get guns than their shouldnt be a problem. also think about it this way if their was people in the theater who had Cnc lisences they nutjob wouldnt have got such a high kill count. say you were a robber and you knew everyone was armed in this one neighborhood would you rob from them? no because your going to get killed. criminals will always have guns no matter what... god damn i hate liberals/leftist

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@ dyland just because someone disagrees with homosexuality you liberals will brand him as a bigot, a homophobe, a anti-homosexual. just because someone doesnt agree with your fashist agenda you label them as horrible people. nice logic

[Toxic]

we have to have the 2cd ammentment because its the most important one without the 2d ammendmant we cant defend the other amendments. the shooting was a false flag attack because of the un treaty bill a few weeks after. the best defence against tiereny is a well armed populace. we dont want to end up like the UK which is now a police state. without guns we have to take it in the ass from the goverment. look at (-snip-) just because some guy kills 12 people it doesnt mean ooh guns are bad. its 12 people, yes their people but that number is small. why do you think just the military should be the ones to have guns oh civilians cant handle it? what are the military they are people just like me and you the only thing that seperates us is their training. aslong as we have strict screenings to make sure crazy people dont get guns than their shouldnt be a problem. also think about it this way if their was people in the theater who had Cnc lisences they nutjob wouldnt have got such a high kill count. say you were a robber and you knew everyone was armed in this one neighborhood would you rob from them? no because your going to get killed. criminals will always have guns no matter what... god damn i hate liberals/leftist

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@ dyland just because someone disagrees with homosexuality you liberals will brand him as a bigot, a homophobe, a anti-homosexual. just because someone doesnt agree with your fashist agenda you label them as horrible people. nice logic

He shot 60 others, but i can respect Switzerland's gun culture.

[Faustie]

I'm sorry, but you don't need a f*cking automatic weapon to 'protect your home from the evil government'. In fact it would be useless, it wouldn't harm them at all, they could just bring out the missiles, high-flying planes, tanks, etcetera. Which means that if they're useless for 'protection from the evil government' what are they used for? Why the hell should any one individual need four assault rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammunition? Yes, guns are just tools and people are people, but said tools are specifically designed to injure or kill a person, and in the case of the assault rifles, many people. The problem with the USA is that they legalized them in the first place, so now the unarmed civilians felt insecure and threatened by all of the heavily armed civilians (I class even a pistol as heavily armed, you can kill a lot of people with one very easily), so they too purchased weapons and the viscious cycle continues. Now the civilians of the USA will refuse to disarm, but won't admit that it's because they're scared of other people with guns because that'd undermine their own argument, but instead spout out the second amendment and claim the government is too powerful. Maybe, but what will you do without them? Live in tribes with no centralized power, transport, economic, justice, building, maintenance, education, medical system? Sure, let me know how that goes. I'm not saying I specifically support the people in charge or their current ideals but every aspect of your life, including typing your awful arugments on your computer, are possible thanks to a centralized government system.

As for the argument about criminals having guns, true, they may do, but it's only because as of now it's easy to get them. Look at the UK - We have a lot of criminals floating about, but very very few have access to a firearm, let alone anything more than a handgun. Whereas in the USA it's incredibly easy to get a weapon, so of course they're all armed.

I just don't see the obsession with owning firearms. If you were all up for 'self defence of your property and family' you would go for a non-lethal weapon if there was such a thing available. Unfortunately, due to US gun culture, this is not the case and people feel they need automatic rifles that can hold a a huge amount of ammunition. I'm not sure why you need 30 rounds plus twentry extra magazines to fight off that one cat burglar. Does it feel empowering knowing you can so easily end so many lives? Ah, what a twisted culture you lot have over the pond, I'm glad I don't live there.

[richardhammond]

look at america in revolotionary war we fought and won battles when our enemies had far superiour firearms. so your saying we should not have any assult rifles when the goverment has drones, assult rifles, jets, etc... or a hunting rifle against that. fuck no. hell uk is all about multi cultrism now and prettymuch your motto is " our freedom ends where your feelings begin." you guys just banned metal paperclips for being too dangerous... lul- http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs...al-1208686 - http://www.gizmodo.co.uk/2012/08/metal-p...dangerous/

[Dylan]

we dont want to end up like the UK which is now a police state.

@ dyland just because someone disagrees with homosexuality you liberals will brand him as a bigot, a homophobe, a anti-homosexual. just because someone doesnt agree with your fashist agenda you label them as horrible people. nice logic

Alright, I think everyone can calm down and start disregarding EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT from Richardhammond, as soon as he said that the UK is a police state (Which is fucking retarded for so many reasons I wont even go into it).

If someone disagrees with homosexuality they are anti-homosexual, are you even reading what you are clacking on the keyboard?

You can't spell a single proper sentence without glaring errors that would make any english-teacher from even the third grade cut his eyes out with razor-blades, and you want guns?

Really?

And read your fucking link about banning paperclips, where, where does it say it's in the entirety of fucking UK? It is one, single, organization that has banned paperclips, in Manchester, get over yourself. Not only that, but they are just calling for a replacement for plastic-paper-clips, read your link.

And you are fucking using paperclips as an example of totalitarianism? Are you fucking joking? Are you for real? It boggles my mind that someone can actually say something like that and mean it, I am in serious doubt of whether you are trolling or not. You are saying, that if a workplace banned paperclips near you, you would grab the nearest M4 and make holes in the closest employer?

And yes, I am allowed to view any who oppose homosexuality as an idiot, because I believe there simple is no way homophobia and anti-homosexuality can have a good argument (religion-related arguments included).

why do you think just the military should be the ones to have guns oh civilians cant handle it? what are the military they are people just like me and you the only thing that seperates us is their training.

Are you serious? Did you actually just say that? What in the world can make you think that it's that easy?! You might as well say:

"Yeah Bruce Lee is good, but the only thing different between him and me is his training"

"Yeah Usain Bolt can run 100m almost as fast as a leopard, but the only thing different between me and him is his training"

"Yeah people can snipe others from miles away, but it's only because of their training".

*I would also like to add to any admin thinking this is disrespect, it is not. I didn't disrespect any players here, I just sweared, and there ain't no rules about swearing, only as long as I don't direct them at other people*

[Joey Skylynx]

I'm sorry, but you don't need a f*cking automatic weapon to 'protect your home from the evil government'.
Why shouldn't I have one?
In fact it would be useless, it wouldn't harm them at all, they could just bring out the missiles, high-flying planes, tanks, etcetera.
So we would fair better with Semi-Autos/Hunting Rifles/Handguns?
Which means that if they're useless for 'protection from the evil government' what are they used for?
Entertainment? Understanding the mechanics of a firearm? Waging Guerilla Warfare and causing the government the lose the hearts and minds of the people?
Why the hell should any one individual need four assault rifles and a few thousand rounds of ammunition?
I've got roughly 1000 Rounds of 8mm Mauser Rifle for my Gewehr 98. Also... Why shouldn't they own an automatic weapon?
Yes, guns are just tools and people are people, but said tools are specifically designed to injure or kill a person, and in the case of the assault rifles, many people.
And as any other tool they are easy to produce and manufacture. I still don't understand your fear for firearms.
The problem with the USA is that they legalized them in the first place, so now the unarmed civilians felt insecure and threatened by all of the heavily armed civilians (I class even a pistol as heavily armed, you can kill a lot of people with one very easily), so they too purchased weapons and the viscious cycle continues.
Vicious would imply that people are going around killing each other constantly, when in fact the UK has higher violent crimes per captia then the United States.
Now the civilians of the USA will refuse to disarm, but won't admit that it's because they're scared of other people with guns because that'd undermine their own argument, but instead spout out the second amendment and claim the government is too powerful.
I won't disarm because I'm afraid? What kind of logic is that? I refuse to disarm because I choose to own firearms for several different reasons. Most of which relate to hunting, recreational shooting, and sport shooting. The only gun which could be considered for self-defense would be my Makarov PM, which I was given for free so I would rather not complain.
Maybe, but what will you do without them?
We form a transitional government?
Live in tribes with no centralized power, transport, economic, justice, building, maintenance, education, medical system?
Go through a rough period of transition for a few months and get back with a newly formed government.
Sure, let me know how that goes. I'm not saying I specifically support the people in charge or their current ideals but every aspect of your life, including typing your awful arugments on your computer, are possible thanks to a centralized government system.
You can also thank the same centralized government for allowing firearms to be legalized. GG.

As for the argument about criminals having guns, true, they may do, but it's only because as of now it's easy to get them. Look at the UK - We have a lot of criminals floating about, but very very few have access to a firearm, let alone anything more than a handgun. Whereas in the USA it's incredibly easy to get a weapon, so of course they're all armed.
Yet most of them just switch over to long bladed knives which are also illegal. So now the law-abiding populace is weakened to having no tools while the ones which are illegally using tools become more destructive.

I just don't see the obsession with owning firearms.
Have you ever fired a firearm? It's pretty fun.
If you were all up for 'self defence of your property and family' you would go for a non-lethal weapon if there was such a thing available.
So I take some pepper spray and spray a robber with it. He's blind for a few seconds, and then turns around and starts stabbing me. Flawless.
Unfortunately, due to US gun culture, this is not the case and people feel they need automatic rifles(Hughes Amendment has stopped the production of automatic firearms since the late 80's. I wish I could own an automatic firearm, but sadly it'll take me a year and $20,000 to purchase one.) that can hold a a huge amount of ammunition(And can also be horridly inaccurate and cubersome thanks to the Hi-Cap Magazine. They are also for susceptible to jamming.). I'm not sure why you need 30 rounds(Standard Magazine size) plus twentry extra magazines(Sport Shooting) to fight off that one cat burglar.
Does it feel empowering knowing you can so easily end so many lives?
No not really. It just gives me a greater respect of an inanimate object.
Ah, what a twisted culture you lot have over the pond, I'm glad I don't live there.
Why do I get the sense you think every American is out to kill each other?

... Common sense, morals, and respect go a long way....