Removal of Clan Claims

[StillAlive]

I definitely support this.

However competitionRP should still be allowed.

Lets say someone makes an unique store, selling only certain stuff.
Then another one copycats it and opens up his own shop.
It should then be allowed to deal with it.

BUT claiming certain RP territories should NOT be allowed. It also supports violent RP, which none of us wants.
Oh and it also supports huge ass clans like SemperFi, TLH and so on.

[Iban]

Yeah, has happened to me too.

I tend to visualize the situation as follows: Kids in a toypen with plenty of different toys, but many of the same type.
Then some poor sod tries to take a vacant teddybear when someone else is playing with another teddy.
Engage the butthurt and fighting after the person with the teddy claims he has right to all of them (even when they are not playing with them.)

Could someone please explain to me, what claiming has contributed to the community? I can sure list something, but it's not a very happy list:

- Violent "RP" to curb ANY competitors, no matter how small. Do the clans REALLY see them as a threath? Hell, the claiming people don't usualle even have a "business" of the same type running at the same time to force a shutdown.

- Drama. Needless to say, people blowing up each other's shit will cause this.

- Decline in Original RP. Why bother with anything, if you're just going to have a burning wreck in the end?

Seriously, if this claiming business goes on unregulated, in the worst case scenario, one is not even allowed to pick certain jobs or locations to build to!

The whole business smells like "patent-trolling" to me. To those unfamiliar with the term, here's a quick explanation:

1. A person creates something original.

2. A patent troll-company, with hundereds of patents in it's storage notices that there's something that ever so slightly "infriges their patent".

3. Lawsuit for profit of troll.

The only difference is, that in Fearless the lawsuit part is replaced by Molotovs and automatic weapons, as well as threaths, hostile agents and killing.

All for what? So the "strong" can dominate the "weak". It's not all about the "money" if it is about the money at all. It's all about having an excuse to demonstrate power and gain something while at it.

Needless to say, I'm in support of the removal of these "claims".
Bottom line: We're not miners in a f*cking depleting Goldmine. There will ALWAYS be more money, and inflation is not a real danger in RP. The principle of destroying anyone who attempts to do something similar to you is just plain wrong.

[WorldWideCoffee]

I agree, It can be a real bitch when you, Say try too setup a RP, And clans are jumping down your throat too tear the build down, Or there will be consequences. It ruins RP, And then can turn into Agressive RP which NO ONE wants too deal with. Everyone should be able too participate in everything in this community. Not get punished for trying to do something that a clan has "Trademarked"

[Joey Skylynx]

Another issue is having certain people just remake their group when the walls/roofs start closing in, and claim to be different but still have the same ridiculous RP Claims.

[Dryblood]

Well I do not approve, this has been part of clans since they began, I personally do not like the way clans are going, the whole point of a clan is not to pretend to make electricity.

-Support will fight this to the end, I can promise you this will not go through.

[Joey Skylynx]

Dry, what has come of Clan Claims? This is a serious question. In my time of Fearless [roughly starting in June 11'] I've seen/heard nothing good coming from Clan Claims. Most of the time I've seen fellow RP'ers crumble under the wake of petrol and lead. Times are changing... People don't want to create small gangs anymore because they fear being curbstomped when they try too do something. Not to mention small gangs/clans can't pick up because they can't go official because the monopoly in RP Claims has caused several groups to run dry on ideas and leaves them unofficial only to fade away into time.

If you chose to fight for the fact that monopolies create less groups and less RP, you may do so. I choose to fight for the fact I rather have small groups with their own concepts/culture... It gives more uniqueness aside from the average assassin group.

[7rozen_7ear_]

Good day

Well I do not approve, this has been part of clans since they began, ..

There's not even a single rule about claiming businesses, so why should it be a part of the RP at all? It's pretty much unfair for everybody. Does Intel tell AMD to stop producing CPU's? No. It's true that there are patent fights; there are technologies that can be patended but don't forget one rule: patents can be violated as they are proven needed to produce a certain product. (Ever seen a single CPU without transistors?) So basically you want to go further: you don't want patents and won't use them, you just want LA with only one casino (sounds realistic, huh?). Let's immediatly start to claim props now, so nobody can build. That way we would take (some) tools of RP as well, isn't it?

I personally do not like the way clans are going, the whole point of a clan is not to pretend to make electricity.

Well, why not? Clans equal to companies, yet the clan is the OOC manifestation and the company/political party/whatever is the IC manifestation. So why not a clan making electricity? It's not a claim, it's a company people started to offer RP and RP opportunities. So there shouldn't be companies? I'd like to hear what you call a clan, then. Don't forget to tell the point of a clan if it can't be a company. (At least explain what you're saying, otherwise we can't know why you could have right.)

Basically, you're saying that clans should claim businesses, should restrict rp to new and old players and provoque raids because of the restrictions? That's how your words feel to me. You're just biased, because you've owned 3 clans (The Lost Horde, The ATEK Company and Black Mesa) wich helped you out, but to be honest, it just restricted our RP. Clans shouldn't even be made to "own" other people, to powergame towards other players by halting great rp.

-Support will fight this to the end, I can promise you this will not go through.

Good luck with that.


Thanks for reading. I tried to keep this text as neutral as possible. I'm not insulting anyone, I'm just expressing my opinions (that's the point of a forum isn't it? Well, I'm very, very sure that you have that opinion as well).

Sincerely

Fears

[Biowulf]

Damn frozen, I dont know how you do it, but every time you seem to blow my mind o-o

[Elder]

User has been warned for this post. Reason: Offensive post

Well I do not approve, this has been part of clans since they began, I personally do not like the way clans are going, the whole point of a clan is not to pretend to make electricity.

-Support will fight this to the end, I can promise you this will not go through.

YOU don't like the way clans are going cause you are trying to horde a very efficient way to make money for players, just so you can protect your damn monopoly. You tell me how that is fair while we are trying to have a good time on the server and RP how ever the f*** we want to while you are too busy playing Skyrim, APB or some shit. Maybe if you want to protect something so dear to you, play on the server more and stop shutting people that are affected by your claims down over the forums. It is obvious that mostly everyone is against you on this, and you have nothing to back yourself up on this.



There was my rant, it had to be said. What do you even have to say? Please enlighten all of us on how it is fair that your constantly changing clans are allowed to claim the exact same shit over and over again while we can't do anything. But that is another rant for another time.

[Fleet Admiral Zapington]

I made a thread like this back in the SemperFi days, but nope..