dob
#1
Steam Name: dob

SteamID: STEAM_0:0:199645405

BanID: 84064

Ban Reason
RDM, Breaking NLR, Crime in city - Should definetly know better

Staff Member: taxi

Involved users
me and cox

Why should you be unbanned?
I just got banned randomly. Not pulled to a rooftop, no message just straight up booted off the server out of the blue in the middle of an RP. Puzzled at first, I checked to see it was RDM and breaking NLR and crime in the city. 

As I recall being admin, Taxi should enforce that Cox and I both understand why we are being banned. You simply just banned us, leaving Cox and I both confused as off to why we are banned. Therefore, I don't think this punishment is legitment as I do not recall breaking these rules, as I had a valid reason.

(I did break NLR which I put my hands up to, however, Johnsilver TP'd me away and I apologized as I lost track of time - an easy mistake which I fully accept). 

Can I also add that Taxi did the same on this thread: https://fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=97479

He did not give me a chance to defend myself. This has happened twice now and I find it very unprofessional as a player, but also disrespectful as an ex-admin to be treated this way as it is disappointing to see admins not pull up players and show them the ropes properly.
#2
Hello Dob,
Thank you for making this UBR!

From what you are saying, the only time you broke NLR this evening was the time JohnSilver told you off about it?
Like you mention yourself, you are an ex-admin with about 1600h of playtime which why I expect you to already know and follow the rules, it is also why I shouldn't have to "show you the ropes properly" like I do with unexperienced players.
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#3
(01-11-2021, 08:57 PM)Toe Shmicki Wrote: Hello Dob,
Thank you for making this UBR!

From what you are saying, the only time you broke NLR this evening was the time JohnSilver told you off about it?
Like you mention yourself, you are an ex-admin with about 1600h of playtime which why I expect you to already know and follow the rules, it is also why I shouldn't have to "show you the ropes properly" like I do with unexperienced players.

Yes, that is the only time I broke NLR that evening. If I broke it again, why did you not pull me to one side and inform me? Oh wait, you just decide to punish me out the blue, because you feel like you can and I am experienced enough to know better. 

This is not protocol, as an Admin who has passed the Trial phase how do you not know that you should inform players of your decision before banning them. Just because you witnessed something, doesn't give the full context. Other than what I told, I did not break any rules that evening and neither did Cox. I request it to be removed and for you to be reminded about how to deal with @ sits properly.
#4
Hello dob!

Thank you for your reply!

This evening I decided to go do some undercover work which is when I caught you and your friend in the act, which is also why I didn't pull you to the side as it would blow my cover. I was simply curious to see how far you and your friend would go.

At the beginning of this observation you and your friend started raiding the nexus which isn't the issue in this case, I am sure you had a valid reason to do so.

The raid begins at the nexus front stairs which is where you lose the fight and die. Then just 2 minutes later you are right back at it again raiding the nexus and after only 4 minutes you are back at the nexus front stairs again killing the government members you died to the first time. Then you run back inside the nexus through the garage to help your friend go through the defenses inside, unfortunately you and your friend lose and respawn back at Pearl Plaza. After this your friend manages to get back into the Nexus garage but he is quickly escorted out by police officers, this is when you are right outside the Nexus garage door opening fire at them only 2 minutes after you died inside, you lose the fight and die. At the end of this situation you and your friend decided to lockpick and steal a car that was parked at pearl plaza to eventually leave the city.

Like I mentioned in my first response, you used to be an admin in this community which is why you should already have full knowledge of the rules and be able to follow them, since you used to enforce them upon others. I am certain you knew exactly what you were doing and since I witnessed the whole incident with my own eyes I didn't feel that I was required to pull you and your friend ontop of a roof and explain this situation.

During this whole situation you break NLR twice since you kept running back to raid the nexus, I have a quite hard time thinking that you simply didn't keep track of the time here? Since you broke NLR twice I also consider the kills you got during these times RDM as they simply should'nt have taken place. You and your friend comitted crime in the city by stealing the white BMW that was parked at pearl plaza.
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#5
(01-11-2021, 09:44 PM)Toe Shmicki Wrote: Hello dob!

Thank you for your reply!

This evening I decided to go do some undercover work which is when I caught you and your friend in the act, which is also why I didn't pull you to the side as it would blow my cover. I was simply curious to see how far you and your friend would go.

At the beginning of this observation you and your friend started raiding the nexus which isn't the issue in this case, I am sure you had a valid reason to do so.

The raid begins at the nexus front stairs which is where you lose the fight and die. Then just 2 minutes later you are right back at it again raiding the nexus and after only 4 minutes you are back at the nexus front stairs again killing the government members you died to the first time. Then you run back inside the nexus through the garage to help your friend go through the defenses inside, unfortunately you and your friend lose and respawn back at Pearl Plaza. After this your friend manages to get back into the Nexus garage but he is quickly escorted out by police officers, this is when you are right outside the Nexus garage door opening fire at them only 2 minutes after you died inside, you lose the fight and die. At the end of this situation you and your friend decided to lockpick and steal a car that was parked at pearl plaza to eventually leave the city.

Like I mentioned in my first response, you used to be an admin in this community which is why you should already have full knowledge of the rules and be able to follow them, since you used to enforce them upon others. I am certain you knew exactly what you were doing and since I witnessed the whole incident with my own eyes I didn't feel that I was required to pull you and your friend ontop of a roof and explain this situation.

During this whole situation you break NLR twice since you kept running back to raid the nexus, I have a quite hard time thinking that you simply didn't keep track of the time here? Since you broke NLR twice I also consider the kills you got during these times RDM as they simply should've taken place anyways. You and your friend comitted crime in the city by stealing the white BMW that was parked at pearl plaza.

i can't remember what I ate for dinner so you have a good memory of this whole thing do you have a recording as I don't recall? 

Either way your still missing the point you didn't tell me this. Why should I have to make a UBR when this could have been discussed on a roottop or a simple conversation before deciding to take action if you believe it was correct?
#6
Hello again!

What you did this evening had done too much damage ruining the experience for multiple players on the server which is something that is quite serious. Bringing you to a roof and listen to you wouldn't change the outcome of this situation at all which is why I decided to punish you straight away then I had seen enough.

My question to you is why you in your fist reply say you only break NLR once the whole evening? Are you telling me that you simply forgot you had died when you were breaking NLR these times when you raided the Nexus?Considering there was only a 2 minute differance from your death and untill you were back raiding, I find that hard to believe.
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#7
(01-11-2021, 10:04 PM)Toe Shmicki Wrote: Hello again!

What you did this evening had done too much damage ruining the experience for multiple players on the server which is something that is quite serious. Bringing you to a roof and listen to you wouldn't change the outcome of this situation at all which is why I decided to punish you straight away then I had seen enough.

My question to you is why you in your fist reply say you only break NLR once the whole evening? Are you telling me that you simply didn't know you were breaking NLR these times when you raided the Nexus when there was only a 2 minute differance from your death and untill you were back raiding?

you have acknowledged that you haven't informed me about breaking rules. I think you are just making this up now. Please submit solid proof of me breaking NLR or these rules otherwise I think you are making it up to twist it to suit your matters. It's not about changing the outcome, it's about you telling me I am about to be banned for breaking rule xy and z what is it you don't understand am I wrong to say you have not followed protocol ?
#8
Hello Dobs!

DENIED

Why in the world would I be making this up? Considering what you've said in this UBR I am now concluding this before it de-rails completley, I am certain that you are aware of what you have done.

Thank you once again for making this UBR!
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#9
Moved & closed
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