Should Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic and Slovakia leave the EU?

[juicyorange]

these countries aren't protecting themselves from the EU because they are the EU?

they are just simply refusing to accept refugees and that is perfectly fine because they have a right to do that, not like refugees would want to live in poland, hungary ect ect as they simply leech of benefits in countries like Germany, Sweden and Denmark because their stupid governments give refugees lots of money and benefits so they don't actually have to work a single day.

in response to archers comment; why are you glorifying nazi ideas and trying to place the blame on the polish people as well as attempting to mock its culture I do not know. very strange indeed seeing as you clearly haven't visited the country recently or ever.

anyway if these countries do leave the EU you might as well disband it.

and to finish this off:
£10 Cro you clearly seem very influenced by the media, don't trust any media outlet, there is no unbiased news.

[Archer]

The EU has done such horrible things to Poland!

Terrible things, such as (but not limited to):

- Doubling the Polish GDP per capita (since 2004)
- Sending $56 billion in development funds between 2007 and 2013
- Protecting them (and the Baltic States) from Russia.

It's completely justified that Poland makes a fuss about taking in refugees - I mean, after all, it's not like they are one of the richest countries in Eastern Europe? It's not like Turkey, a country with a lower GDP per capita has taken in 3 million refugees, and Lebanon, a country that is 30 times smaller than Poland and has an even lower GPD per capita, has taken in 1 million refugees - yet Poland has only taken in 0 refugees? And to your point about economic migrants - refugees are temporary. Noone is forcing you to keep these refugees forever, and they probably don't want to stay forever either.

I mean, of course - you're not the one making decisions and I don't blame you for this happening (Of course, I can't be completely sure about your opinion on the subject either, but based on the tone you're setting in this thread, I think I know what you think of the EU). But I just hope you realize that your government is exploiting nationalism/patriotism into making you think that the EU is out to get you. They're not - the reason you're being "threatened" is because your government is taking increasingly authoritarian measures.

I think thats the least they can do after ditching Poland in 2 wars and making it the forefront in Nazi and Soviet occupation

Poland didn’t even exist in the First World War. You’re just posting random “info”
Also in response to juicyorange, I never spoke against Polish culture, but it is a fact that Poland is a hub of far-right parties AND that there was mass-scale collaboration with nazis, especially in the invasion of Czechoslovakia

[Prosto]

So its either taking up refugees like everyone else, or accept the risk of Russia wanting to expand or deciding they need an extra port or province. You cant have it both ways people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

"one of the few"

What is this supposed to mean?

[juicyorange]

The EU has done such horrible things to Poland!

Terrible things, such as (but not limited to):

- Doubling the Polish GDP per capita (since 2004)
- Sending $56 billion in development funds between 2007 and 2013
- Protecting them (and the Baltic States) from Russia.

It's completely justified that Poland makes a fuss about taking in refugees - I mean, after all, it's not like they are one of the richest countries in Eastern Europe? It's not like Turkey, a country with a lower GDP per capita has taken in 3 million refugees, and Lebanon, a country that is 30 times smaller than Poland and has an even lower GPD per capita, has taken in 1 million refugees - yet Poland has only taken in 0 refugees? And to your point about economic migrants - refugees are temporary. Noone is forcing you to keep these refugees forever, and they probably don't want to stay forever either.

I mean, of course - you're not the one making decisions and I don't blame you for this happening (Of course, I can't be completely sure about your opinion on the subject either, but based on the tone you're setting in this thread, I think I know what you think of the EU). But I just hope you realize that your government is exploiting nationalism/patriotism into making you think that the EU is out to get you. They're not - the reason you're being "threatened" is because your government is taking increasingly authoritarian measures.

I think thats the least they can do after ditching Poland in 2 wars and making it the forefront in Nazi and Soviet occupation

Poland didn’t even exist in the First World War. You’re just posting random “info”
Also in response to juicyorange, I never spoke against Polish culture, but it is a fact that Poland is a hub of far-right parties AND that there was mass-scale collaboration with nazis, especially in the invasion of Czechoslovakia

all due respect, i know a bit of history myself and poland lost independence in the 3rd partion in 1795 after being a successful monarchy for over 100 years, however the polish people still lived in Austria-Hungary making up nearly 18% of the population of Austria-Hungary pre WW1 and during WW1. the polish nation might not have officially existed but the people did exist, and there were millions of them.

and i am sure that even more turks collaborated with the nazis on a mass scale as well, and i am sure turkey is also a hub for right wing parties, i can only list a single far right party in poland from my knowledge. 

i am sure that the UK, france, germany, beligum, austria, russia, the US are also all hubs for far right groups, i don't get your point here.

[Archer]

The EU has done such horrible things to Poland!

Terrible things, such as (but not limited to):

- Doubling the Polish GDP per capita (since 2004)
- Sending $56 billion in development funds between 2007 and 2013
- Protecting them (and the Baltic States) from Russia.

It's completely justified that Poland makes a fuss about taking in refugees - I mean, after all, it's not like they are one of the richest countries in Eastern Europe? It's not like Turkey, a country with a lower GDP per capita has taken in 3 million refugees, and Lebanon, a country that is 30 times smaller than Poland and has an even lower GPD per capita, has taken in 1 million refugees - yet Poland has only taken in 0 refugees? And to your point about economic migrants - refugees are temporary. Noone is forcing you to keep these refugees forever, and they probably don't want to stay forever either.

I mean, of course - you're not the one making decisions and I don't blame you for this happening (Of course, I can't be completely sure about your opinion on the subject either, but based on the tone you're setting in this thread, I think I know what you think of the EU). But I just hope you realize that your government is exploiting nationalism/patriotism into making you think that the EU is out to get you. They're not - the reason you're being "threatened" is because your government is taking increasingly authoritarian measures.

I think thats the least they can do after ditching Poland in 2 wars and making it the forefront in Nazi and Soviet occupation

Poland didn’t even exist in the First World War. You’re just posting random “info”
Also in response to juicyorange, I never spoke against Polish culture, but it is a fact that Poland is a hub of far-right parties AND that there was mass-scale collaboration with nazis, especially in the invasion of Czechoslovakia

all due respect, i know a bit of history myself and poland lost independence in the 3rd partion in 1795 after being a successful monarchy for over 100 years, however the polish people still lived in Austria-Hungary making up nearly 18% of the population of Austria-Hungary pre WW1 and during WW1. the polish nation might not have officially existed but the people did exist, and there were millions of them.

and i am sure that even more turks collaborated with the nazis on a mass scale as well, and i am sure turkey is also a hub for right wing parties, i can only list a single far right party in poland from my knowledge. 

i am sure that the UK, france, germany, beligum, austria, russia, the US are also all hubs for far right groups, i don't get your point here.

will respond when I’m home

[Emil]

The EU has done such horrible things to Poland!

Terrible things, such as (but not limited to):

- Doubling the Polish GDP per capita (since 2004)
- Sending $56 billion in development funds between 2007 and 2013
- Protecting them (and the Baltic States) from Russia.

It's completely justified that Poland makes a fuss about taking in refugees - I mean, after all, it's not like they are one of the richest countries in Eastern Europe? It's not like Turkey, a country with a lower GDP per capita has taken in 3 million refugees, and Lebanon, a country that is 30 times smaller than Poland and has an even lower GPD per capita, has taken in 1 million refugees - yet Poland has only taken in 0 refugees? And to your point about economic migrants - refugees are temporary. Noone is forcing you to keep these refugees forever, and they probably don't want to stay forever either.

I mean, of course - you're not the one making decisions and I don't blame you for this happening (Of course, I can't be completely sure about your opinion on the subject either, but based on the tone you're setting in this thread, I think I know what you think of the EU). But I just hope you realize that your government is exploiting nationalism/patriotism into making you think that the EU is out to get you. They're not - the reason you're being "threatened" is because your government is taking increasingly authoritarian measures.

I think thats the least they can do after ditching Poland in 2 wars and making it the forefront in Nazi and Soviet occupation

Poland didn’t even exist in the First World War. You’re just posting random “info”
Also in response to juicyorange, I never spoke against Polish culture, but it is a fact that Poland is a hub of far-right parties AND that there was mass-scale collaboration with nazis, especially in the invasion of Czechoslovakia

all due respect, i know a bit of history myself and poland lost independence in the 3rd partion in 1795 after being a successful monarchy for over 100 years, however the polish people still lived in Austria-Hungary making up nearly 18% of the population of Austria-Hungary pre WW1 and during WW1. the polish nation might not have officially existed but the people did exist, and there were millions of them.

and i am sure that even more turks collaborated with the nazis on a mass scale as well, and i am sure turkey is also a hub for right wing parties, i can only list a single far right party in poland from my knowledge. 

i am sure that the UK, france, germany, beligum, austria, russia, the US are also all hubs for far right groups, i don't get your point here.

Well to be fair, they did get their independence after WW1 so I'm not sure how exactly they were "ditched".

[Archer]

So its either taking up refugees like everyone else, or accept the risk of Russia wanting to expand or deciding they need an extra port or province. You cant have it both ways people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

"one of the few"

What is this supposed to mean?

He said EU was one of the few organisations keeping Poland out of Russian sphere, not the only one

[£10 Cro]

My bad the second thing I was thinking about was Prussia, russia and Austrain empire attacking Poland

[£10 Cro]

The EU has done such horrible things to Poland!

Terrible things, such as (but not limited to):

- Doubling the Polish GDP per capita (since 2004)
- Sending $56 billion in development funds between 2007 and 2013
- Protecting them (and the Baltic States) from Russia.

It's completely justified that Poland makes a fuss about taking in refugees - I mean, after all, it's not like they are one of the richest countries in Eastern Europe? It's not like Turkey, a country with a lower GDP per capita has taken in 3 million refugees, and Lebanon, a country that is 30 times smaller than Poland and has an even lower GPD per capita, has taken in 1 million refugees - yet Poland has only taken in 0 refugees? And to your point about economic migrants - refugees are temporary. Noone is forcing you to keep these refugees forever, and they probably don't want to stay forever either.

I mean, of course - you're not the one making decisions and I don't blame you for this happening (Of course, I can't be completely sure about your opinion on the subject either, but based on the tone you're setting in this thread, I think I know what you think of the EU). But I just hope you realize that your government is exploiting nationalism/patriotism into making you think that the EU is out to get you. They're not - the reason you're being "threatened" is because your government is taking increasingly authoritarian measures.

I think thats the least they can do after ditching Poland in 2 wars and making it the forefront in Nazi and Soviet occupation

Poland didn’t even exist in the First World War. You’re just posting random “info”
Also in response to juicyorange, I never spoke against Polish culture, but it is a fact that Poland is a hub of far-right parties AND that there was mass-scale collaboration with nazis, especially in the invasion of Czechoslovakia

all due respect, i know a bit of history myself and poland lost independence in the 3rd partion in 1795 after being a successful monarchy for over 100 years, however the polish people still lived in Austria-Hungary making up nearly 18% of the population of Austria-Hungary pre WW1 and during WW1. the polish nation might not have officially existed but the people did exist, and there were millions of them.

and i am sure that even more turks collaborated with the nazis on a mass scale as well, and i am sure turkey is also a hub for right wing parties, i can only list a single far right party in poland from my knowledge. 

i am sure that the UK, france, germany, beligum, austria, russia, the US are also all hubs for far right groups, i don't get your point here.

Well to be fair, they did get their independence after WW1 so I'm not sure how exactly they were "ditched".

What I meant is that Poland suffered the most, and their "allies" only intervined when they were in the crosshairs

[Prosto]

So its either taking up refugees like everyone else, or accept the risk of Russia wanting to expand or deciding they need an extra port or province. You cant have it both ways people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO

"one of the few"

What is this supposed to mean?

He said EU was one of the few organisations keeping Poland out of Russian sphere, not the only one

Oh please, if we are talking about russian influence, EU has nothing to do with protection against it.