Admin Report Forgee
#1
Username: Mark2766

Accused Staff Member: Forgee

Involved Users: 

Time/Date/Time Zone: 23.00

Abuse of Power or Rule Infringement: Very simply the president had set the tax to 40% and was being a dictator, he was spending his entire time at Forgee and Joe Joes boat at the lake so he would have a situation like this happen if he was ever challenged. He was demoting basically the entire police force, there was reports of an armed woman at the boat which officers responded to but since the admins who owned the boat didn't like it the president choose to demote like 4 or 5 officers without no explanation, the president was demoting all duties and was just chilling in the boat with the admins then threatened us with demotion when challenged. At this point I decided that we as a police force would take the president and speak to him and decide his fate. In the video I quote the wrong rule 6.2 but unless a rule was changed recently there is definitely a precedent of the government having a dictator executed as long as it is roleplayed. As I knew from experience how Forgee would handle situations which affects his roleplay I knew what was going to happen. The entire city wanted the President dead for what he was doing so we did what was possible to make them leave as we talked to the president but at this point it was basically a mob and what would happen happened. At this point the president is killed as the dictator he was, it was well deserved. Then as expected forge turned up talked over people and before viewing evidence banned. So anyway I know admin reports don't really do anything since the server needs admins, even though I don't know why forge and joe are admins since the entire day they were on there boat roleplaying as people prop killed etc and murdered which they ignored for the most part which is why the server was so restless. SO this is just a shot in the dark, I will be doing a charge back on my membership and getting my money back and leaving the server and will tell my friends who recently joined and got donator to do the same. Enjoyed the time on the server but certain admins are too focused on making things work well for themselves and certain friends which is a joke on a server that has the option for people to spend actual money,but maybe forge needs to learn how to keep his bias away from in character situations like he has done in the past, threatening a president with a ban for banning casinos etc.

Evidence and Explanation:
https://youtu.be/aAlDXm4mdrE
https://youtu.be/M7hQGZh6mtc
the Molotov has nothing to do with us we were actually trying to contact the president to leave the boat since we had reports of people trying to kill him, but as he was being a dictator and just screwing around on the boat with the admins, as this certain player does constantly, this happened. The fire  is also why I think forge acted the way he did since his rp was affected.
#2
I was one of the police officers on the force. The President, or should we say Dictator, was being raided constantly, every 2 minutes by different groups across the server. I was one of the people defending the President from these attacks. After a few attempts on the presidents life, he fled to the boat in the middle of the Lake, with Forgee, No and also 2 other players. The whole police force was left wandering the streets of the city with not the littlest communication with the president. All that was said by the president into the radio was "Challenge me and ill have to take action". 1 by 1 officers were being demoted at the hands of this President and not once did Forgee step up to ask what was going on or even look into these random demotes. Then the situation occurred as Mark has explained, the officers decide its time to take action, however we wernt the only ones with this idea. Rebels and other opposing groups turn up to the lake at the same time which inevitable causes one big riot. The Police force manage to take the president from the boat and into a house by doing nothing but aiming a gun at him and asking. Eventually he is put into a room and at this point Forgee puts all the cops into the room and begins questioning. Mark was also banned by the end of this admin sitting which i believe wasn't fair. In Marks defence, the President was not roleplaying in a reasonable way and Forgee was not taking action instead he was just enjoying himself with his friends on the boat hidden away with the president. Mark tried to the best of his ability to turn this some what corrupt scenario into a proper Roleplay, even telling to Rebels to leave the area, as the cops and rebels were not allowed to work together in this scenario.
#3
Hi Mark,

The armed woman at lake was the presidents bodyguard, (who killed you before you were a police officer for threatening to molotov our boat) which you had no idea she was there as you were a new character. Secondly Nicholas did not demote "half the police force" he demoted about 3 officers, 2 that were shooting other officers and 1 that tazed me without a valid reason. As a police officer you are not allowed to work with criminals or assist them in anyway in killing the president. below is sufficient evidence of you doing this exact thing.

v4b1 [22:43:09] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) said: /radio he is at the lake
v4b1 [22:43:09] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) used command: radio he is at the lake
v4b1 [22:48:16] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) said: kil him

It is also quite clear that Nicholas did not demote "Half the police force" as you used the police force to execute him.

In this video that Nicholas has provided it clearly shows you asking police officers to kill him (3:53)
The video also proves that you did not "Demote half the police force" as Nicholas clearly exclaims. (4:08)
Thirdly the video shows the president being killed by the criminals you ordered. (6:28)
And finally you can clearly hear you exclaiming "He's on the yacht lets kill him" on the radio to the rest of the police force. (0:08)

All of these instances are clearly in violation of rule "6.9 Do not kill or injure any other government member." therefore the ban I issued is justified.

https://youtu.be/WvIQRGGc6AM
#4
The president was randomly demoting people in the government and threatening many others with no grounds to back up his actions. There were many complaints OOC (and I'm sure on @) about this but none were responded to by the staff team. I presume this was when people collectively decided if it won't be dealt with OOC we'll have to try and roleplay it the best we can (with no intent to backseat admin). This is where Forgee finally got involved and turned it into an admin situation in the president favor. Many valid points were made by people in the sit but most were ignored or dodged around by Forgee. The whole thing felt shady/unprofessional on a server of this level.

Forgee made the point that the president wasn't a dictator so there was no reason to be going against him, however, mark dug up an old post where Forgee had stated that he sees presidents who set the tax to over 40% as dictators. The president did have the tax at 40% and was acting in a corrupt manner which made Forgee's point null. Forgee quickly moved on and said that Mark was hiring/ordering the rebels to kill the president and accused him of team killing. '6.9 Do not kill or injure any other government member.' as far as I remember Mark didn't PERSONALLY kill anyone nor did he SPECIFICALLY order a certain player or job role to KILL the president. The rebels turned up of their own accord and just because Mark (or any other cop) didn't arrest them doesn't mean he can be accused of teamkilling.

To summarise, Forgee handled the admin situation in a very biased and unprofessional manner. The way he carried himself made him seem like a child constantly saying but, but, but, whenever someone made a valid point that he actually decided to acknowledge. smh
#5
(09-13-2018, 11:11 PM)Tomm Wrote: The president was randomly demoting people in the government and threatening many others with no grounds to back up his actions. There were many complaints OOC (and I'm sure on @) about this but none were responded to by the staff team. I presume this was when people collectively decided if it won't be dealt with OOC we'll have to try and roleplay it the best we can (with no intent to backseat admin). This is where Forgee finally got involved and turned it into an admin situation in the president favor. Many valid points were made by people in the sit but most were ignored or dodged around by Forgee. The whole thing felt shady/unprofessional on a server of this level.

Forgee made the point that the president wasn't a dictator so there was no reason to be going against him, however, mark dug up an old post where Forgee had stated that he sees presidents who set the tax to over 40% as dictators. The president did have the tax at 40% and was acting in a corrupt manner which made Forgee's point null. Forgee quickly moved on and said that Mark was hiring/ordering the rebels to kill the president and accused him of team killing. '6.9 Do not kill or injure any other government member.' as far as I remember Mark didn't PERSONALLY kill anyone nor did he SPECIFICALLY order a certain player or job role to KILL the president. The rebels turned up of their own accord and just because Mark (or any other cop) didn't arrest them doesn't mean he can be accused of teamkilling.

To summarise, Forgee handled the admin situation in a very biased and unprofessional manner. The way he carried himself made him seem like a child constantly saying but, but, but, whenever someone made a valid point that he actually decided to acknowledge. smh

"Mark didn't PERSONALLY kill anyone nor did he SPECIFICALLY order a certain player or job role to KILL the president." 

Yes, he did.

v4b1 [22:43:09] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) said: /radio he is at the lake
v4b1 [22:43:09] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) used command: radio he is at the lake
v4b1 [22:48:16] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) said: kil him
#6
(09-13-2018, 11:05 PM)Forgee Wrote: Hi Mark,

The armed woman at lake was the presidents bodyguard, (who killed you before you were a police officer for threatening to molotov our boat) which you had no idea she was there as you were a new character. Secondly Nicholas did not demote "half the police force" he demoted about 3 officers, 2 that were shooting other officers and 1 that tazed me without a valid reason. As a police officer you are not allowed to work with criminals or assist them in anyway in killing the president. below is sufficient evidence of you doing this exact thing.

v4b1 [22:43:09] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) said: /radio he is at the lake
v4b1 [22:43:09] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) used command: radio he is at the lake
v4b1 [22:48:16] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) said: kil him

It is also quite clear that Nicholas did not demote "Half the police force" as you used the police force to execute him.

In this video that Nicholas has provided it clearly shows you asking police officers to kill him (3:53)
The video also proves that you did not "Demote half the police force" as Nicholas clearly exclaims. (4:08)
Thirdly the video shows the president being killed by the criminals you ordered. (6:28)
And finally you can clearly hear you exclaiming "He's on the yacht lets kill him" on the radio to the rest of the police force. (0:08)

All of these instances are clearly in violation of rule "6.9 Do not kill or injure any other government member." therefore the ban I issued is justified.

https://youtu.be/WvIQRGGc6AM

I will reply to each thing

1. How is that an example of me working with criminals that was me talking to the police force, and as I said the server has precedent for government executing a dictator if it is roleplayed, something which you refused to listen too.

2. He demoted atleast 4 officers, his reason was "random raiding" when it was the officers doing there job of responding to a boat in the middle of a lake with an armed woman on board and multiple people reports of stuff going on there people trying to get on etc.

3. already explained in 1, also words aren't actions

4. the reason I knew she was there because we were being told she was there, armed with a gun

5. it was police force who either rejoined or new police force that joined, I thought that would be obvious since you checked the logs for radio calls yet cant check the logs for the 4 or more demoted officers.

6. as I said earlier there is a precedent for government to execute a dictator even though I am humouring you at this point since I did not kill the president.

So now that's done can you explain why you and joe joe spent your entire time on the boat roleplaying as "eccentric millionaires" instead of answering the dozens of @ calls of prop killing, random demotes, random murders by citizens etc. And also the examples I forgot to post earlier of you letting your RP situations go before the server, like you threatening a president that he can be banned for banning casinos and setting a fine on it just because it would affect you and your friends making money, or the time you removed your casino props when the casinos were banned once in the middle of a raid?
#7
Would also like to add.

Nicholas Rule breaks in this video

insults out of character
Baiting to kill him (failRP)
and breaking fearRP
I have a feeling he wont be punished though I wonder why
#8
(09-13-2018, 11:15 PM)mark2766 Wrote:
(09-13-2018, 11:05 PM)Forgee Wrote: Hi Mark,

The armed woman at lake was the presidents bodyguard, (who killed you before you were a police officer for threatening to molotov our boat) which you had no idea she was there as you were a new character. Secondly Nicholas did not demote "half the police force" he demoted about 3 officers, 2 that were shooting other officers and 1 that tazed me without a valid reason. As a police officer you are not allowed to work with criminals or assist them in anyway in killing the president. below is sufficient evidence of you doing this exact thing.

v4b1 [22:43:09] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) said: /radio he is at the lake
v4b1 [22:43:09] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) used command: radio he is at the lake
v4b1 [22:48:16] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) said: kil him

It is also quite clear that Nicholas did not demote "Half the police force" as you used the police force to execute him.

In this video that Nicholas has provided it clearly shows you asking police officers to kill him (3:53)
The video also proves that you did not "Demote half the police force" as Nicholas clearly exclaims. (4:08)
Thirdly the video shows the president being killed by the criminals you ordered. (6:28)
And finally you can clearly hear you exclaiming "He's on the yacht lets kill him" on the radio to the rest of the police force. (0:08)

All of these instances are clearly in violation of rule "6.9 Do not kill or injure any other government member." therefore the ban I issued is justified.

https://youtu.be/WvIQRGGc6AM

I will reply to each thing

1. How is that an example of me working with criminals that was me talking to the police force, and as I said the server has precedent for government executing a dictator if it is roleplayed, something which you refused to listen too.

2. He demoted atleast 4 officers, his reason was "random raiding" when it was the officers doing there job of responding to a boat in the middle of a lake with an armed woman on board and multiple people reports of stuff going on there people trying to get on etc.

3. already explained in 1, also words aren't actions

4. the reason I knew she was there because we were being told she was there, armed with a gun

5. it was police force who either rejoined or new police force that joined, I thought that would be obvious since you checked the logs for radio calls yet cant check the logs for the 4 or more demoted officers.

6. as I said earlier there is a precedent for government to execute a dictator even though I am humouring you at this point since I did not kill the president.

So now that's done can you explain why you and joe joe spent your entire time on the boat roleplaying as "eccentric millionaires" instead of answering the dozens of @ calls of prop killing, random demotes, random murders by citizens etc. And also the examples I forgot to post earlier of you letting your RP situations go before the server, like you threatening a president that he can be banned for banning casinos and setting a fine on it just because it would affect you and your friends making money, or the time you removed your casino props when the casinos were banned once in the middle of a raid?

Im not really sure how you think you didn't work with criminals, there is multiple instances of you telling them to kill the president. You also commanded the police force to kill the president which as I stated before is in violation of rule 6.9 and FailRP.
#9
Also one last thing I at no point in the video told anyone to kill him, I actually spent the time trying to stop the mob from killing him

Correction I at no point told a citizen or rebel etc to kill him, the thing with the officers is clearly explained by me multiple times of the precedent for government to execute the president if roleplayed and he is am extreme dictator
#10
(09-13-2018, 11:20 PM)Forgee Wrote:
(09-13-2018, 11:15 PM)mark2766 Wrote:
(09-13-2018, 11:05 PM)Forgee Wrote: Hi Mark,

The armed woman at lake was the presidents bodyguard, (who killed you before you were a police officer for threatening to molotov our boat) which you had no idea she was there as you were a new character. Secondly Nicholas did not demote "half the police force" he demoted about 3 officers, 2 that were shooting other officers and 1 that tazed me without a valid reason. As a police officer you are not allowed to work with criminals or assist them in anyway in killing the president. below is sufficient evidence of you doing this exact thing.

v4b1 [22:43:09] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) said: /radio he is at the lake
v4b1 [22:43:09] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) used command: radio he is at the lake
v4b1 [22:48:16] mark2766 (STEAM_0:1:429317406) said: kil him

It is also quite clear that Nicholas did not demote "Half the police force" as you used the police force to execute him.

In this video that Nicholas has provided it clearly shows you asking police officers to kill him (3:53)
The video also proves that you did not "Demote half the police force" as Nicholas clearly exclaims. (4:08)
Thirdly the video shows the president being killed by the criminals you ordered. (6:28)
And finally you can clearly hear you exclaiming "He's on the yacht lets kill him" on the radio to the rest of the police force. (0:08)

All of these instances are clearly in violation of rule "6.9 Do not kill or injure any other government member." therefore the ban I issued is justified.

https://youtu.be/WvIQRGGc6AM

I will reply to each thing

1. How is that an example of me working with criminals that was me talking to the police force, and as I said the server has precedent for government executing a dictator if it is roleplayed, something which you refused to listen too.

2. He demoted atleast 4 officers, his reason was "random raiding" when it was the officers doing there job of responding to a boat in the middle of a lake with an armed woman on board and multiple people reports of stuff going on there people trying to get on etc.

3. already explained in 1, also words aren't actions

4. the reason I knew she was there because we were being told she was there, armed with a gun

5. it was police force who either rejoined or new police force that joined, I thought that would be obvious since you checked the logs for radio calls yet cant check the logs for the 4 or more demoted officers.

6. as I said earlier there is a precedent for government to execute a dictator even though I am humouring you at this point since I did not kill the president.

So now that's done can you explain why you and joe joe spent your entire time on the boat roleplaying as "eccentric millionaires" instead of answering the dozens of @ calls of prop killing, random demotes, random murders by citizens etc. And also the examples I forgot to post earlier of you letting your RP situations go before the server, like you threatening a president that he can be banned for banning casinos and setting a fine on it just because it would affect you and your friends making money, or the time you removed your casino props when the casinos were banned once in the middle of a raid?

Im not really sure how you think you didn't work with criminals, there is multiple instances of you telling them to kill the president. You also commanded the police force to kill the president which as I stated before is in violation of rule 6.9 and FailRP.
This is an example of you picking and choosing what you respond to, could you respond the way I did addressing each point and giving your reasons and or rule breaks thank you. And also the reports of you not answering@ calls and spending all day rping on the boat?


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