Report Tentacy (AKA Ali, and the rest of the government listed below)

[Rims]

Name of player:
Tentacy (STEAM_0:1:51507582)

King in the North (STEAM_0:1:48933542)

Dawson (STEAM_0:1:80402904)

Goat (STEAM_0:0:53586752)

FlexibleBread (STEAM_0:1:159462299)

Wolven (STEAM_0:1:121483633)

De GJuurbuur (STEAM_0:1:28638305)

CLIT COMMANDER (STEAM_0:0:25326672)


Dremw (STEAM_0:1:61326286)
MrFinnConlon (STEAM_0:0:79431150)

SteamID: Posted above to make it less confusing.

Time in GMT: 9:30pm

Server: v4b1

Summary: While playing v4b1 a long with my guildmates, we were randomly raided and given 0 chance to vacate the city or pay the apparent fine that had been legislated into place. The Thieves Guild was banned from the city for "being cigarettes" because King in the North (the pres at the time) was upset about being banned a day prior in relation to a similar raid against us. I am unable to prove the reasoning behind banning us, since we weren't doing any organized RP and weren't aggressive towards anyone. The video below shows from start to finish that, at no point, were we given any warnings or even reasoning for this raid.

https://youtu.be/CIzBN3ldrco

You can hear me ask multiple times why we're being raided. There was no reason. When arrested, the reason given on the warrant was simply "guild". FailRP by all government officials involved.

To further prove the validity of my claim that Ali is a source of unrest that is becoming contagious, here is a separate incident that elucidates the level of failRP that Ali commits on a literal daily basis.

https://youtu.be/4H0YiH9Tjhs


Evidence:
https://youtu.be/CIzBN3ldrco
https://youtu.be/4H0YiH9Tjhs

[Wolven]

I find it pathetic how you try and make it seem like I'm the wrong here. As a government official, If I was ordered to go do something from a dictator, I will do it. I was the first to respond and politely asked you to open up so I could negotiate with you. Not realising we had a warrant on you, the props were breached by (not sure) so I step forth to check the premises. Zecon shows up and I gladly explain to him both your and our situation and when we came to a conclusion that the raid was kind of unnecessary and we realised the president power gamed, I walked out and returned back to the nexus. Later on, Zecon teleported to me and questioned me about the raid and why the whole casino was being shot up, so I replied with "Not sure, we were ordered to go and when I realise that there was nothing to be there for, I left" He then banished me from the sit and allowed me to get on with what I was doing. I am in no way in the wrong here and I don't see why I have been put into the player report when you can quite see that my gun wasn't once aimed down and I tried negotiating peacefully.

Thanks, Wolven.

[AliTaze]

First things first those two videos at the bottom are meaningless... It shows me messing about as SRU running up to you saying put your hands up and running away that is all I did. I do nothing else apart from simple mingeing that is all I see. However, I see how that is failrp and i own up to it.

[Adamino]

First things first those two videos at the bottom are meaningless... It shows me messing about as SRU running up to you saying put your hands up and running away that is all I did. I do nothing else apart from simple mingeing that is all I see. However, I see how that is failrp and i own up to it. Now I would like Zecon to join us in this wonderful PR. Remember when I asked to be put in a sit regarding Rims making a racist  comment on me but then saying he was not part of the raid so he was still in character? Well in the video above it shows that he was part of the raid situation and he was being racist out of character. This also shows him lying to a staff members face.

He says he is not involved in the admin sit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Tydz43...e=youtu.be

His own video showing him being a part of the raid meaning he is involved in the sit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIzBN3ld...e=youtu.be

I would like you to show a part of it where he says he’s not part of the raid. He said “I’m not part of this admin sit” which was completely true.

[MrFinnConlon]

Please provide evidence that I am invovled in this situation, else remove my name from the report.

[Budy]

First things first those two videos at the bottom are meaningless... It shows me messing about as SRU running up to you saying put your hands up and running away that is all I did. I do nothing else apart from simple mingeing that is all I see. However, I see how that is failrp and i own up to it. Now I would like Zecon to join us in this wonderful PR. Remember when I asked to be put in a sit regarding Rims making a racist  comment on me but then saying he was not part of the raid so he was still in character? Well in the video above it shows that he was part of the raid situation and he was being racist out of character. This also shows him lying to a staff members face.

He says he is not involved in the admin sit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0Tydz43...e=youtu.be

His own video showing him being a part of the raid meaning he is involved in the sit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIzBN3ld...e=youtu.be

That's me in your video, not Rims. Once again you've jumped the gun.

[Budy]

https://gyazo.com/486cac4ef4da8766fcaac43620f50f84

https://gyazo.com/adca997fbf4f034ae43594644cfd5dd6

Need I say more? Stop lying in the court house please.

Basic reading Ali. 

[HP Sauce]

I was not involved in this. I didnt involve myself in Thieves Guild incidents as I didnt have my weapons due to the locker being in my NLR zone, I would like my name to be removed from this

[Rims]

Please provide evidence that I am invovled in this situation, else remove my name from the report.

I was not involved in this. I didnt involve myself in Thieves Guild incidents as I didnt have my weapons due to the locker being in my NLR zone, I would like my name to be removed from this

Fair enough. I have removed you two from the report.

[Zecon]

Okay, there still seems to be a LOT of confusion in this case, though I'm pleased individual perspectives have been uploaded as I requested so I'll view everything provided, lay out some points, then request clarification.

As far as my perspective goes, I initially responded to a call from AdamCF, who from what I could gather was of the belief that he was merely caught up in the raid and randomly arrested. I teleported into the building mid-raid when it appeared to be almost over and asked what exactly the reason was for the raid, the general consensus at that point was "presidents' orders". Whilst the participants were dispersing I then decided to ask Adam himself what was going on, who stated he wasn't sure there was a reason at all for the raid. It was at this point I referred to Wolven, who was back in the Nexus and we had this discussion:

[FL:T] Zecon said: .//Now raid is over can ya just explain to me the scenario?
[FL:RP] Wolven said: .// King told us to go over there and arrest them so I went there and talked calmly (logs will show)
[FL:RP] Wolven said: .// and me recording
[FL:RP] Wolven said: .// but someoen breached
[FL:RP] Wolven said: .// and knocked rims out
[FL:RP] Wolven said: .// so I left.r
[FL:RP] Wolven said: .// We were ordered to go raid.
[FL:T] Zecon said: .//Did King give any reason?
[FL:RP] Wolven said: .// Not as I'm ware. But i'd rather keep my job and try negotiate whats happening rather than get demoted.

So at this point, I'm of the belief that the government had been requested to arrest the guild by the president, but was currently unaware of the reason. So it seems the government approached peacefully, but then someone decided to breach and initiate a full-scale raid.
It was at this point I approached King In The North to ask exactly why this mass-arrest was requested. From what I recall, he claimed it was related to the fact that he had a law by which all shops were required to have a license, which is true:

All kind of shops need to have shop license.
Shop without shop license will result a huge fine.
If you want shop license ask for a meeting with the president.

I then teleported to Adam once more (in jails at this point) to inquire as to whether such a license was acquired or if a fine was possibly refused by him which could've resulted in the arrest request. However I was informed Rims was in fact the owner of the premises, who subsequently informed me that no such fine was presented, just the raid. I was also at this time made aware of another law that King In The North had in place which was this:

Thieves Guild are banned for being cigarettes

I was still unsure as to why a seemingly full-scale raid had broken out, so requested if anyone had recordings before I made any final decision on the case because I did not wish to conclude it unless I was completely aware of the scenario, which Adam politely informed me he would provide along with others, which brings us to this moment. If there are any inaccuracies in what I have gathered thus far, please inform me here as I am trying to gather as much information as possible to come to a sensible resolution here and I have heard multiple stories thus far. Similarly please comment if you have any further information to add.

There are a lot of duplicate threads on this case so I shall copy all video links here for reference (in case duplicate threads are deleted) and ask some clarification questions below: [1] , [2] , [3] , [4] , [5]

1 KingInTheNorth & Rims  - Assuming the order for the arrest was based on the license law, was there any point in which a license was handed over from the government to the guild? If not, Rims, were you approached prior to the raid and asked to pay a large fine as the law suggests would be the appropriate action? If that wasn't the case either, King, why exactly was an arrest ordered on all people on the property? Failure to provide a sufficient reason would be in violation of this rule:

6.6a As a President, don't warrant players without a roleplay reason. 

2 KingInTheNorth - Can you please elaborate on some background info of your "Thieves Guild are banned for being cigarettes" law? I'm aware you were a 'Jewish Dictator' and you could claim you had extreme religious views so those who disagreed with them would be subject to arrest, but what occurred IC which meant you had such information on the members of the Thieves Guild? Just clarifying to make sure this rule is being followed appropriately as well:

6.1 Do not ban things from the city without a proper roleplay reason

3 AliTaze - Why, when fellow officers had guns at the hip and were talking with the people on the premises, did you decide it was necessary to run up and smack a breach on the door, thus inducing the raid?

4 Adamino - The first video in your thread doesn't work, keeps saying it is processing, is there a possibility of a re-upload please? As far as the 2nd video is concerned (clip [4] referenced here) it seems that was just a misunderstanding between you and Ali judging by the comments made in your thread.

For now, I await further response from the people I have asked clarification from in this post, thank you all for your patience with this case.