NEW MAP

[Blurr]

We want to try something now,we don't want to return back to old sh*t. #Pines

Do you not remember when maps were trialled and all failed?

Stop begging for new shit constantly, you’re too greedy for what Fearless now is.

Don't you remember when V2D was brought back? twice? and failed?

It just won't happen again, unless you force people, which is just shoving Fearless into the shitter

The only reason V2D was a fail last time is becuase it was the second server map, which cannot/shouldn't happen as we all know leaving v5p on will just not work out.

[Kevin]

Passive RP can be done everywhere, while aggressive can't. Simple fact

There is this thing with the "agressive players" debating against Pines due to the "terrrible opportunities", what are you even expecting from V2D? Basewars?

Time to cut the shit regarding agressive, roleplay can be done anywhere, anytime, with anything. It does not have to be shootouts and freaking raids all the time, no, that is not how it should be working. If so - arma 3 is open with never ending opportunities, go there and have a little shooty session, but a roleplay server is not the same. There are several locations, in the city and also outside, just cut that arrogant head and start looking for the proper stuff one can simply do, especially the agressive shit.

That's the cool thing about V2D, it's perfect for aggressive RP and passive RP. Take in mind that the majority of the player base comes down to aggRP, V2D allows them to get what they want whilst passiveRP'rs a perfect little city to do what they want. 

I really don't understand why you are being so 'aggressive' about aggressiveRP. Literally why I play FL! It's aggressive RP is great and V2D really lets it be the best. You never played V2D, right? Defiantly worth a vote Kevin, it's a great map.

You need to take in mind that aggressiveRP is allowed on this server, it's not just passive.

I played for the first time in 2013 - V2D was on.

With that being said, this is where everyone can personalize as I have said several times already. There's this storage area with garage that can be some sort of drug trafficking. Aggressive does not have to mean set-up a base and just fire anyone coming in, that's not what roleplay is about. There are so many ways of aggressive, but people are one-way looking here and do not tend to see these opportunities.

[Joe Joe]

We want to try something now,we don't want to return back to old sh*t. #Pines

Do you not remember when maps were trialled and all failed?

Stop begging for new shit constantly, you’re too greedy for what Fearless now is.

Don't you remember when V2D was brought back? twice? and failed?

It just won't happen again, unless you force people, which is just shoving Fearless into the shitter

The only reason V2D was a fail last time is becuase it was the second server map, which cannot/shouldn't happen as we all know leaving v5p on will just not work out.

I think it failed because people played the server they proffered. Instead of trying to make cover ups be realistic. If players wanted it they could have has it numerous times in the past. For once something better deserves a chance

[Baskingner]

We want to try something now,we don't want to return back to old sh*t. #Pines

Do you not remember when maps were trialled and all failed?

Stop begging for new shit constantly, you’re too greedy for what Fearless now is.

Don't you remember when V2D was brought back? twice? and failed?

It just won't happen again, unless you force people, which is just shoving Fearless into the shitter

The only reason V2D was a fail last time is becuase it was the second server map, which cannot/shouldn't happen as we all know leaving v5p on will just not work out.

I think it failed because people played the server they proffered. Instead of trying to make cover ups be realistic. If players wanted it they could have has it numerous times in the past. For once something better deserves a chance

and so have plenty of other 'better' maps. V2D isnt the only map we've tried in the past and they have all failed, this makes me think that the fail wasnt due to the map but it being a 'non priority' server compared to the main server at the time. Time after the time the main server was way more popular and when the playerbase reached a point where two servers was simply too much v2d remained empty, or any map for that matter. Make Pines our 2nd server and it will die as hard as v2d did.

I mean, you cant really argue that the playerbase isnt trying to get V2D back at the moment, can you?

[DVN]

We want to try something now,we don't want to return back to old sh*t. #Pines

Do you not remember when maps were trialled and all failed?

Stop begging for new shit constantly, you’re too greedy for what Fearless now is.

Don't you remember when V2D was brought back? twice? and failed?

It just won't happen again, unless you force people, which is just shoving Fearless into the shitter

The only reason V2D was a fail last time is becuase it was the second server map, which cannot/shouldn't happen as we all know leaving v5p on will just not work out.

I think it failed because people played the server they proffered. Instead of trying to make cover ups be realistic. If players wanted it they could have has it numerous times in the past. For once something better deserves a chance

That's not true, I've provided all of the 'test' facts above in a previous post. Do you actually think the test was fair?

- New players discovering FL that saw both servers automatically chose V5P over V2D due to the playercount difference
- Less existing community members played because in their history V5P was there and not V2D. As standard they would normally connect to the regular server
- Not enough people migrated as they weren't aware of the change and stayed on V5P, this then drawn existing community members back to V5P with no choice unless they wanted to play with 10 people.

It was not a fair or conclusive test for the reasons above and many more.

[god]

Passive RP can be done everywhere, while aggressive can't. Simple fact

There is this thing with the "agressive players" debating against Pines due to the "terrrible opportunities", what are you even expecting from V2D? Basewars?

Time to cut the shit regarding agressive, roleplay can be done anywhere, anytime, with anything. It does not have to be shootouts and freaking raids all the time, no, that is not how it should be working. If so - arma 3 is open with never ending opportunities, go there and have a little shooty session, but a roleplay server is not the same. There are several locations, in the city and also outside, just cut that arrogant head and start looking for the proper stuff one can simply do, especially the agressive shit.

That's the cool thing about V2D, it's perfect for aggressive RP and passive RP. Take in mind that the majority of the player base comes down to aggRP, V2D allows them to get what they want whilst passiveRP'rs a perfect little city to do what they want. 

I really don't understand why you are being so 'aggressive' about aggressiveRP. Literally why I play FL! It's aggressive RP is great and V2D really lets it be the best. You never played V2D, right? Defiantly worth a vote Kevin, it's a great map.

You need to take in mind that aggressiveRP is allowed on this server, it's not just passive.

I played for the first time in 2013 - V2D was on.

With that being said, this is where everyone can personalize as I have said several times already. There's this storage area with garage that can be some sort of drug trafficking. Aggressive does not have to mean set-up a base and just fire anyone coming in, that's not what roleplay is about. There are so many ways of aggressive, but people are one-way looking here and do not tend to see these opportunities.

I totally agree, I am guilty of it. However this is probably due to the fact that people do not get RPP from these role-plays. People do passive RP because they are encouraged by RPP. This should be the same with aggressive role-play.

[Joe Joe]

It wasn't a test though was it DVN? If the players enjoyed the map as much as they did why didn't they play it. It was proven it could have worked as of the first day of its re-release it had many a player. However after 1 day they all ditched it. That says enough for me. If your a dedicated player you would have try to repopulate it by playing it whenever you could. That is all I'm trying to say.

[Yonno]

Lovely how opposing parties are still trying to convince each other lol

V2D now collectively has 1 more vote than Pines 

[Pollux]

Lovely how opposing parties are still trying to convince each other lol

V2D now collectively has 1 more vote than Pines 

Yep we have either original V2D which Divey said would be a downgrade as updates are not compatible on it, so that's not really an option. 

We have V2D sexy that has map leaks (holes in the ground which look into the void), some holes in the road as roads weren't joined up well, horrible textures and major map doomforts. This really shouldn't even be an option.

Why do people want to downgrade our server in terms of updates or go to an unfinished map, especially if the map has died twice before.

[Pollux]

Do you not remember when maps were trialled and all failed?

Stop begging for new shit constantly, you’re too greedy for what Fearless now is.

Don't you remember when V2D was brought back? twice? and failed?

It just won't happen again, unless you force people, which is just shoving Fearless into the shitter

The only reason V2D was a fail last time is becuase it was the second server map, which cannot/shouldn't happen as we all know leaving v5p on will just not work out.

I think it failed because people played the server they proffered. Instead of trying to make cover ups be realistic. If players wanted it they could have has it numerous times in the past. For once something better deserves a chance

That's not true, I've provided all of the 'test' facts above in a previous post. Do you actually think the test was fair?

- New players discovering FL that saw both servers automatically chose V5P over V2D due to the playercount difference
- Less existing community members played because in their history V5P was there and not V2D. As standard they would normally connect to the regular server
- Not enough people migrated as they weren't aware of the change and stayed on V5P, this then drawn existing community members back to V5P with no choice unless they wanted to play with 10 people.

It was not a fair or conclusive test for the reasons above and many more.

Soul has stated the new map will very likely be run on the second server, so it will be the same thing with either map.