UBR - Dr Hibbert

[Dex]

Your name: Dr Hibbert


Your ban ID: STEAM_0:1:32019399

Banned by: [FL] Diggy

Reason: BRA (57088) - Major FailRP, FearRP, 11th Ban: LAST CHANCE

Involved: Radde94, diggy.

Why we should unban you: I'd like to add Diggy, I believe I can vouch my case here too as I was banned for the same reason, and I can cut out the work and put 2 UBR's in to one, as you believe we both violated the same rule. I don't believe that I fail RP'd what so ever, I was roleplaying that I was angry about losing my job, our RP was that we'd been transferred from another city as FBI to work for EvoCity, we got there and spoke to the president to find that we wouldn't be getting our jobs. I never said at any point that I would kill the president, I said that I'll be back, and I did come back, not as a raider but as a protestor, I had nothing to do with what Lolipop did, he had an invalid reason to raid as the presidents laws were fairly fair, and the rule I usually go by is that if it's a personal problem with the president IC you should protest, so I did so. And as for fear RP, I had no clue that he had the tazer, look at this print screen which I extracted from the video : [/url]http://i61.tinypic.com/2s11vet.png



Now in that image I can't even see a tazer, I don't understand how I'm under Fear RP, I was cuffed and he had no gun or tazer pointed at me or even out and the exact rule you're trying to ban me for is Fear RP? I think that's completely ridiculous, Fear RP is role-playing to be afraid of a gun, or your life, I was in no danger of being tazed as the tazer wasn't out and I was talking to the president thus rendering Fear RP invalid.



This is an image from when I was walking away from the president who decided to make a provocative statement as I was leaving the building, as you can just make out Gray Face saying in part 1 he says "Don't come back". I then replied by turning around so he was in ear shot and saying "Don't worry, we'll be back." At which point again, I could see no tazer pointed on me, this screenshot shows this : [url=http://i57.tinypic.com/2mx0lzm.png]http://i57.tinypic.com/2mx0lzm.png


I was given a 26 day ban for this which I quite simply thing is bloody absurd as I'm a player who consistently engages in role play in order to try emulate a nice environment within Fearless in which people feel welcomed, it's quite evident that I'm a player that's here to role-play and not to break rules, yet you insist on accepting this ban request when the tazers weren't visible (rendering me not under fear rp). And for fail RP when we were just trying to defend our jobs which lead to a peaceful protest within the Nexus, which I find quite funny that Makaveli didn't record that? My point is, I'm not just some minge, I'm on the server to role-play, not break rules so even if I did commit Fail RP (I believe Fear RP is out the question as I'm so sure I didn't break it) it was evidently an honest mistake, however I don't feel that I broke it. Also, putting me on a last chance ban and 26 days for that is ridiculous in my opinion, there's people that aren't here to RP and will get 14 bans before their last chance, most of my bans have been 1 days too and have been minor rule breakages.




(Just posted what I posted in Samzo's UBR, the arguement is valid)

[Dex]

Ignore the image on the second and third paragraph, the pasting messed up, here's the image I was talking about in them two paragraphs : http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2mx0lzm&...MZ3YfmsUpk

[radde94]

First off, even is the tazer was "invisible". You still broke FearRP since you were cuffed and I was near you (escorting you out), Yes you do break Fear RP when you are cuffed. I learned the hard way aswell.

I like your roleplay ideas but they seem to get out of hand, you tried to passive RP'd that you were F.B.I from another location(city) or w/e, but you did not need to treathen to make a ban request on Gray Face just to revenge for getting Cujo banned. (Also after that you were saying stuff towards the president in "IC" which was not passive RPing)

I gave you one last warning to leave the building, yes you went back, yes you said you were gonna leave but I just got enough of you and was tierd of you trolling and not following direct orders.

You did not -"And for fail RP when we were just trying to defend our jobs which lead to a peaceful protest within the Nexus, which I find quite funny that Makaveli didn't record that?" attempt to peaceful protest, he was considering giving you permission todo it, but then you starting treathening him, yes I did not get that on record (Since I do not always record) but you said you were recording so you may upload it.

Maybe you are not here to break the rules, but you are not taking your own actions and do not understand when you did something that was wrong.

Anyway, I wish you the best and good luck with this unban-request.

~ Regards.

[Nyander]

Let me explain how you broke FearRP, the tazer can not be aimed down, the feature you have with guns that allow you to lower the weapon down is not possible for tazers (E+leftclick) the tazer in the video looked like it was pointed down yes, but other players see it pointing to you and NOT lowered. It is a client side issue, that means in the video you see it pointing down but on the server people see it pointing at you or not lowered.

the failRP part is that you are an F.B.I and the F.B.I don't threaten presidents and run around in their office act like kids because the president denied them for working for the government.

I don't see why you should be unbanned considering that the ban is valid.

[Dex]

Watch the video Raptor. I didn't threaten the president, I said "Don't worry I'll be back". I only had protesting in my mind, I wasn't the person saying "I will kill you president". In my eyes somebody saying a threat like that would be major fail RP? Yet when all I said was I'll be back which is quite ambiguous sure but it was in relation to protesting I don't see how that was major fail RP and saying "I'm going to kill you president" is only fail RP. Would you kindly explain that please because that's what made my ban bigger too, the fact that it says major. And dude how am I meant to know that the tazer is even there? I had no clue it was there, I was so baffled when I got tazed because I hadn't even seen it for all of this event, Fearless bugs is what prevented me from abiding by Fear RP in this instance and then I'm banned? That's absurd, you even said it yourself "It's a client side issue". And how in any way was I running around acting like a kid? I was actually the only person that instigated the other 2 to actually leave the office get what I do is major fail RP, and what they do is just..fail rp? And even if the ban was valid, I 100% don't think this should be my last chance ban, I've had a history of Fear RP once, also I don't particularly plan on getting banned, I'm taking a big break from City RP to get my head straight so I can come back with a fresh identity and ensure that I don't break any rules, I know for a fact Raptor, that you of all people can empathize with that.
Overall, I just don't see how it was "Major" fail RP, I made an open threat which actually turned into coming back and protesting and we made several adverts advertising our protest and several requests which actually turned into a decent RP, running around his office like little kids? Raptor review the evidence, I didn't move once until I was instructed to leave the office and I followed the SRU, the only time I went against the SRU's orders was at first when he told us to leave and secondly after we'd already left the office and the president provoked a reaction out of us, when we were clearly heated, my arrest reason was valid and I think that was the only thing that should have happened, it wasn't a major fail rp or fear rp breakage what so ever if anything it was incredibly minor and should only be punishable by 5 minutes in prison. The tazer wasn't visible to me due to a bug in the Fearless content and I don't see why I should have been punished for this. Also Raptor, the thing is as soon as he said no we weren't F.B.I's we were just citizens with suits on, and as soon as we got out of prison we were just citizen protesters.

Oh and Radde, Fear RP doesn't state that me being cuffed and you being near me actually puts me under Fear RP. How am I meant to know this rule if it's not written down in the rules? Also I didn't feel under Fear a you were an SRU, a person who was actually going to be one of my co-workers, you hadn't pulled a weapon on me and you were being patient with me, what was I to be afraid of, the only thing I could have been afraid of was going to prison, which you did threaten once when we were in the office and we did leave after that.
I just think this ban lacks substance and if there is rule breakages they're very minor, something which maybe validates a 1 day suspension, not a 26 day suspension and a last chance ban. I got the same punishment as Lolipop, he went into the Nexus, raided the president for no reason and tried to RDM him all as a citizen, bare that in mind. Where as Samzo who actually broke Fail RP majorly only got a 1 day suspension and I MIGHT have broke it and if I had it's only minor yet I'm sat here with a 26 day ban and last chance, see what I mean?

[Falc]

Raptor, if you look at the video it was me who threatened the president so please get the facts straight. Also if Hibbert broke fail rp, then I must have gone to an extreme in breaking fail rp myself, my ban should have been longer than Hibbert's if you're putting it like that because clearly the video's show that I Fail RP'd more than anyone else there.

[Dex]

Could we get another admin to review this case please? It seems like Raptor is the one to review all of my UBR's and I'd like to hear the opinion of another admin, who I don't have a history with, thanks.

[dig]

my ban should have been longer than Hibbert's if you're putting it like that because clearly the video's show that I Fail RP'd more than anyone else there.

Hibbert's suspension is longer due to his previous ban history, not due to what he did, it was a somewhat minor offense but the fact that he held ten previous bans on his record is why I chose to extend it.

"I'm going to kill you president" is only fail RP. Would you kindly explain that please because that's what made my ban bigger too, the fact that it says major.

The 'Major' part has little to do with the amount of time your suspension is set to last for, as stated in the reply above, your suspension is long due to your previous record, not because of what you did.

I was given a 26 day ban for this which I quite simply thing is bloody absurd as I'm a player who consistently engages in role play in order to try emulate a nice environment within Fearless in which people feel welcomed, it's quite evident that I'm a player that's here to role-play and not to break rules, yet you insist on accepting this ban request when the tazers weren't visible (rendering me not under fear rp).

You were under FearRP, whether the tazer was visible as being held up or not is irrelevant, the rule still applies, you said it yourself in another player report of a similar vise, FearRP. When Makaveli was aiming his tazer at you whilst you were walking out, you went back to the office door and said something

Major FailRP

Righto, so when Samzo said 'I will find you and I will kill you', not long after you say 'I will be back'. You are both FBI agents and I would assumed had similar agendas.
Thus it was easy to think that your intention of 'coming back' was in line with what Samzo intended to do, I find protesting somewhat hard to believe as in the heat of the
moment you all seemed well and ready to raid or make an attempt on the president's life.

[Dex]

Diggy, you're either going to have to trust me here or you're going to have to check the logs, one or the other but seriously. After my jail time I changed my job name to "protestor" went in the nexus with boards and we started chanting against the president, me and Samzo weren't on the same wave length and equally you can't prove that we were. And Diggy, in the other report that I put on Blurr I stated that I had the tazer in my hand pointed on him and he disregarded the rule which is why he got banned, where as in this I had no clue that I was being held at gun point, he broke Fear RP knowingly, I didn't. And my history contains me breaking Fear RP once and Fail RP twice, bare in mind the first time was on my first day of the server and it was a complete minge ban, the second was a very borderline one day suspension. In the closing notes you stated that I broke Fail RP majorly, this is my concern regardless of whether it extended the ban time. But seriously Diggy, check the logs and you will see that I changed my name to protester and engaged in a protest with many other citizens.

[Dex]

I was thinking about the case further and I'd like to make a conclusive statement.
Diggy, if you check the logs on that day and you see that I did in fact become a protestor after losing my job, surely this eradicates the fail RP? I said I'd come back, and I did in the form of a protest, we put signs up in the Nexus, made requests and adverts for the president to come down and speak to the people of EvoCity.
If Fail RP is out of the equation we're still left with 1 rule breakage; fear RP. Now, even if I did actually break Fear RP there's literally no way I meant to, I had no clue that he even had the tazer up, I had literally no clue he even had it in his hand never mind up and in my mind, this rendered me NOT under Fear RP. Now, surely this is just down to honest mistake if I've broke Fear RP here, I haven't seen the tazer what so ever due to a bug in the Fearless content which I don't really see as my fault but I would still have taken a punishment because of that because although I didn't intend on breaking Fear RP, I probably did regardless of whether I could see it or not, however I still don't see how that's my fault?
Now, I've served 6 days on my ban and there's still another 20 days to go and even when I get back I'm walking on a tight rope, I think my ban has been 6 days too long already and I'm only just through a quarter of it which saddens me.
The final thing I want you to take into consideration Diggy is how hidden the tazer is, and y'know, I was focused on the president and barely looked at the SRU, even when we left the room he was behind me, not in front of me and he gave me no indication that the tazer was there. In the case you mentioned with Blurr, I knew there was a bug in the FL content, I had a tazer on him and said that I had a tazer on him, so he knew yet he still broke Fear RP willingly, this is where the case differs, I had NO CLUE that the tazer was pointed on me or even in the SRU's hand, I just thought I was being escorted out un armed which is why when the president made the remark "Don't come back". I ran to his window and said "Don't worry, we'll be back".
I'm genuinely sorry if I ruined that role-play on the top floor. I understand that it may have annoyed Makavelli or disrupted RP a little bit, because it's annoying when somebody breaks Fear RP, but you can't even see the damn tazer man, and that's what's frustrated me here.

I really really hope that you see some light on this case Diggy as I wouldn't be posting a UBR unless I felt the ban was unjust, I've only ever posted 2 UBR's excluding this. 1 of them was in my first 100 hours and I thought that breaking the rules and apologizing after would get me un-banned and the second one was in the past 2 weeks which got accepted, so I'm not some guy that protests against every ban on his record, I understand when I break rules however this time is different. Like I say Diggy, I really hope my point has got across to you and I thank you for taking your time to review this case in advance.
Cheers, Dex.