Unfair Ban Length

Cujo

Your name: Cujo

Your ban ID: 58178

Banned by: [FL:M] Raptor

Reason: Admin/player disrespect

Involved: Me, [FL:RP] Obay, [FL:RP] Dr Hibbert, [FL:M] Raptor.

Why we should unban you: I'm not asking for an unban. I'm asking for a shortening, because I didn't disrespect any admins. I said if Raptor were to take any negative action upon Obay, General Rickets would get pissy. I know this isn't exactly the right way to put it, or it shouldn't have been put at all, but it's hardly disrespect. Yes, I did disrespect Obay, because I stated my opinion on him. However, in that same day, if Raptor had been checking the logs, snooping for any mistakes I had made he should have seen the PMs Obay and I were sharing, in which he essentially said "I am well liked on this server, don't tell me what the rules are, nobody likes you" and he started saying I was being stubborn when clearly the shoe was on the other foot. Again, if Raptor had been checking the logs in an unbiased way, he would have seen Samzo say in Local OOC "I h8 Cujo, he just gets to me." Surely that is player disrespect, no? Or was he let off because he was only looking for fodder to ban me after hurting his precious baby Obay? I'm not going to get into why all this started because that was settled and it's in the past, I'm just annoyed at the rate of inequality on FL. You can say there is none but we all know there is. Several experienced/well liked/admin friend players have been let off of some serious rule breakages because of who they are. I won't say who because this is a UBR, not a BR.

The last time I was banned was for NLR, which wasn't really even fair, considering what the circumstances were. If you're a police officer, regardless of NLR, and you hear bullet shots and see bullets flying past the Nexus, you would load up a gun and take action. Anyway, that ban is from nearly 4 months ago. I think this being my first offence of admin/mod disrespect, I shouldn't have got 7 days for saying that a certain very good friend of Obay would get pissy. It's just not disrespect. Yes, I do admit, player disrespect was there, but on both sides, I feel action should be taken for Obay as well, because he essentially said nobody likes me. I hope you consider this and take into account everything I see, and not have tunnel vision just because your friend was involved. If I was banned for any of the conversation Raptor and I had on Steam yesterday, I'd like to remind you, that it was on Steam messenger. Once it's out of the server, it's not relevant. I could go to school and have an argument with an admin, but he wouldn't get back and ban me from Fearless. So, if you have any further questions that I have not answered in this request, please feel free to shoot.

Thank you.

**Conn**

User has been warned for this post. Reason:

Not involved but I totally agree with your points made here.

Warned by Enzyme

**General Rickets**

(01-18-2015, 02:41 PM)Cujo Wrote: I said if Raptor were to take any negative action upon Obay, General Rickets would get pissy. I know this isn't exactly the right way to put it, or it shouldn't have been put at all, but it's hardly disrespect. Yes, I did disrespect Obay, because I stated my opinion on him. However, in that same day, if Raptor had been checking the logs, snooping for any mistakes I had made he should have seen the PMs Obay and I were sharing, in which he essentially said "I am well liked on this server, don't tell me what the rules are, nobody likes you" and he started saying I was being stubborn when clearly the shoe was on the other foot.

Under investigation.

EDIT: Which server was this on?

Cujo

(01-18-2015, 04:49 PM)General Rickets Wrote:
(01-18-2015, 02:41 PM)Cujo Wrote: I said if Raptor were to take any negative action upon Obay, General Rickets would get pissy. I know this isn't exactly the right way to put it, or it shouldn't have been put at all, but it's hardly disrespect. Yes, I did disrespect Obay, because I stated my opinion on him. However, in that same day, if Raptor had been checking the logs, snooping for any mistakes I had made he should have seen the PMs Obay and I were sharing, in which he essentially said "I am well liked on this server, don't tell me what the rules are, nobody likes you" and he started saying I was being stubborn when clearly the shoe was on the other foot.

Under investigation.

EDIT: Which server was this on?

v33x

**General Rickets**

Here are some of the logs from your session.

v33x [01:01:27] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//FailRP, against rules, FearPR, you fucking retards.
v33x [01:02:29] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: /pm razz You're giving me my G3SG1 and my Auto Shotgun or you're getting banned.
v33x [01:15:33] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Retard
v33x [01:51:01] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Obay's sucking General Rickets' dick, so if Raptor does anything, Rickets'll get pissy
v33x [02:10:32] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Obay is a twat
v33x [02:10:36] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//I don't even care
v33x [02:11:01] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//He's just a little prat, and if he didn't have his hours, friends and RPP, he wouldn't get away with his pratness.

Looks like a few more insults than just towards Obay.

Your conversation with Obay.

Spoiler :

**Obay**

(01-18-2015, 05:02 PM)General Rickets Wrote: Here are some of the logs from your session.

v33x [01:01:27] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//FailRP, against rules, FearPR, you freaking retards.
v33x [01:02:29] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: /pm razz You're giving me my G3SG1 and my Auto Shotgun or you're getting banned.
v33x [01:15:33] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Retard
v33x [01:51:01] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Obay's sucking General Rickets' ***, so if Raptor does anything, Rickets'll get pissy
v33x [02:10:32] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Obay is a ***
v33x [02:10:36] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//I don't even care
v33x [02:11:01] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//He's just a little prat, and if he didn't have his hours, friends and RPP, he wouldn't get away with his pratness.

Looks like a few more insults than just towards Obay.

Cujo, that isnt on - I wan't happy to say the least and to know you're saying things behind my back after i had to PM block you after having to put up your extensive argumentative attitude, its clear you need a break.
If that isn't disrespect, i don't know what it.

Cujo

(01-18-2015, 05:02 PM)General Rickets Wrote: Here are some of the logs from your session.

v33x [01:01:27] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//FailRP, against rules, FearPR, you freaking retards.
v33x [01:02:29] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: /pm razz You're giving me my G3SG1 and my Auto Shotgun or you're getting banned.
v33x [01:15:33] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Retard
v33x [01:51:01] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Obay's sucking General Rickets' ***, so if Raptor does anything, Rickets'll get pissy
v33x [02:10:32] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Obay is a ***
v33x [02:10:36] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//I don't even care
v33x [02:11:01] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//He's just a little prat, and if he didn't have his hours, friends and RPP, he wouldn't get away with his pratness.

Looks like a few more insults than just towards Obay.

Well that's because they came in, tranq'd us out of the blue and shot our tranq'd bodies. I wanted my weapons back so I just told him that, I wasn't prepared to fulfill it. Even so, it was 1 insult. If you lost some valuable weapons, and you had FearRP in order, and if you were already annoyed at something anyway, you would most likely say the same. I do admit to that, but I don't see anywhere admin disrespect, so the fact I was banned for admin disrespect isn't fair. If I get a full ban for something I only half did, the ban should be halved.

**Enzyme**

The evidence clearly shows:

- Admin disrespect
- Player disrespect
- Player blackmailing

I see no reason why your ban-time should be reduced, Cujo.

Cujo

(01-18-2015, 05:05 PM)Obay Wrote:
(01-18-2015, 05:02 PM)General Rickets Wrote: Here are some of the logs from your session.

v33x [01:01:27] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//FailRP, against rules, FearPR, you freaking retards.
v33x [01:02:29] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: /pm razz You're giving me my G3SG1 and my Auto Shotgun or you're getting banned.
v33x [01:15:33] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Retard
v33x [01:51:01] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Obay's sucking General Rickets' ***, so if Raptor does anything, Rickets'll get pissy
v33x [02:10:32] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//Obay is a ***
v33x [02:10:36] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//I don't even care
v33x [02:11:01] [FL:RP] Cujo (STEAM_0:0:78475157) said: .//He's just a little prat, and if he didn't have his hours, friends and RPP, he wouldn't get away with his pratness.

Looks like a few more insults than just towards Obay.

Cujo, that isnt on - I wan't happy to say the least and to know you're saying things behind my back after i had to PM block you after having to put up your extensive argumentative attitude, its clear you need a break.
If that isn't disrespect, i don't know what it.

Like I said, I admit to disrespecting you, because I just don't respect someone who gets away with breaking rules because he has powerful friends. But out of interest, Rickets, how about you post the entire /pm thread Obay and I had, which he started out by saying I shouldn't tell him the rules because he is well liked on the server, then carried on by saying nobody likes me. I think you should take a break yourself, if you think you're above the rules and above being told the rules just because of your friends.

Cujo

(01-18-2015, 05:09 PM)Enzyme Wrote: The evidence clearly shows:

- Admin disrespect
- Player disrespect
- Player blackmailing

I see no reason why your ban-time should be reduced, Cujo.

Could you point out how I disrespected an admin? And don't act like I'm the only person ever blackmail someone. It's not even in the rules to not blackmail anyone, so I don't know why you brought it up.