Contrafarming is Getting Worse.

[Tank]

It's great RP, if you ask me. They're gangsters printing money, and making drugs. That's what big time gangsters do IRL.

[kertopz]

Did you guys raid to get all that?
Not the best way to promote passive RP. I think contrafarmers are better than mass raiders.

We did indeed raid to get it all, but not how most people in the server raid. Firstly, we had to have pictures to confirm that the place we are going to hit has contraband. We then take about 15 minutes to plan it out, and make sure everyone knows what they are going to be doing during the raid. When we raid we try to do it at the perfect time, and most of the contraband you see there was taken without us firing a shot. They are locked up to prevent contrawhoring which does promote passive rp. We like to put effort in everything that we do, even raiding. There is a lot of passive rp involved in this process. We don't raid randomly or even do it to get money, we do it because we think that there needs to be more roleplay and less contrawhoring. It is a good way to promote passive rp in individuals because it eliminates the option of just sitting in a house contrawhoring all day.

How about you donate that time and effort to building or organizing a passive roleplay event for the server. Would serve a much a higher purpose than getting you guys rich.

We actually do passive roleplay. We have set up a monorail that takes people around the map, we set up research labs below the nexus or we will do court rp. We roleplay as the DEA when we believe that there is too much contrawhoring going on at the time, which is usually when you see only 1/4 of the people in the server walking around. You also seem to think this is for profit; we do not profit from this an any way. The contra cannot be refilled by us and the money generated by them is burned. We work with the government and there is a lot of passive rp that goes into this which includes the police and the contrafarmers.

Um, hate to burst your bubble but... Soul disallowed the monorail, map is far too small for it to be realistic (I lost my crane too, but oh well).

It's all good, only problem I have here is 'we'. I want to change clan RP so that it doesn't exclude others so much. I've asked a few people and they were always not wanting to join the DEA simply because it was very largely based off FUMUKU. I have no problem with FUMUKU, they were great allies before with my clan, but if you do a major job as a clan, it doesn't work.

If you want to do your car storage thing or a clan restaurant or casino, fine by me. But when you take up major spaces or do major RP as a government entity I'm not really that cool with that, as it discourages others from joining in. i.e. I would prefer if you didn't class the DEA as a FUMUKU thing, it's not, it shouldn't be related to FUMUKU in any way at all, it's a government RP thing. Same applies to the nexus labs, if it takes place there, it's government science RP.

I agree with what you're saying here. We started the DEA as a FUMUKU thing but then decided to take FUMUKU aspect out of it. We try to involve as many people as we can, making sure that both the police and the SS are always involved. Anyone wishing to join us is asked to PM Blackdog. The only problem with this specific job is that everyone who is participating must be trusted, as anyone can just run in and destroy everything or start a raid without proof. So many things can go wrong if you let the wrong person join in which is why people believe that it is so exclusive.

[BlackDog]

Um, hate to burst your bubble but... Soul disallowed the monorail, map is far too small for it to be realistic (I lost my crane too, but oh well).

It's all good, only problem I have here is 'we'. I want to change clan RP so that it doesn't exclude others so much. I've asked a few people and they were always not wanting to join the DEA simply because it was very largely based off FUMUKU. I have no problem with FUMUKU, they were great allies before with my clan, but if you do a major job as a clan, it doesn't work.

If you want to do your car storage thing or a clan restaurant or casino, fine by me. But when you take up major spaces or do major RP as a government entity I'm not really that cool with that, as it discourages others from joining in. i.e. I would prefer if you didn't class the DEA as a FUMUKU thing, it's not, it shouldn't be related to FUMUKU in any way at all, it's a government RP thing. Same applies to the nexus labs, if it takes place there, it's government science RP.

"Soul disallowed the monorail"
Id like to hear that from him as this is the first time im hearing a damn word about it "Im the only one who does it" And no one "Includeing other admins" has had any problems with it, the thing runs 95% perfect, it helps people without cars, and its not a 100% fumuku thing, its funded by us, and run by me, but its not like i only let FUMUKU ride it, anyone gets on as long as they pay for a ticket. "It literaly takes 1 person to run the entire line"

"map is far too small for it to be realistic"

This i dont get at all, the map is not small, its actualy quite large,walking it would be 10-15 minutes to reach the other end


"I would prefer if you didn't class the DEA as a FUMUKU thing,"

We dont, other groups take part in it as well, its just that not EVERYONE is going to get into this, since it requires proper RP, and massive trust, as well as good communication. Ive said this before, i need to be able to trust the person is not going to:
A. Steal the contras money if it still is produceing it
B. Destroy the contras
C. Betray us
D. Follow orders
E. Actualy RP

Some people ask, and i say sorry no, as I myself dont know them enough, and the people inside dont trust them.

If the people already in say they trust them then yea, come on in, but unless they are trusted by the entire team, their not going to get in to our build up operations, and only in the actual Breifing/Planning/Assault

I will say that yes, FUMUKU people tend to get in the most, why? Because their damn trustworthy and do a damn good job at it, if they wish to vouch for somone else, they are free to do so.

Kumonryu people "As few as there are" are often in the DEA operations, either as agents or informants because they can be trusted, and people vouched for them.

Its much like the FUMUKU group itself, anyone can get in, but few will as we have strict requirements and enforce them heavily

[Faustie]

Um, hate to burst your bubble but... Soul disallowed the monorail, map is far too small for it to be realistic (I lost my crane too, but oh well).

It's all good, only problem I have here is 'we'. I want to change clan RP so that it doesn't exclude others so much. I've asked a few people and they were always not wanting to join the DEA simply because it was very largely based off FUMUKU. I have no problem with FUMUKU, they were great allies before with my clan, but if you do a major job as a clan, it doesn't work.

If you want to do your car storage thing or a clan restaurant or casino, fine by me. But when you take up major spaces or do major RP as a government entity I'm not really that cool with that, as it discourages others from joining in. i.e. I would prefer if you didn't class the DEA as a FUMUKU thing, it's not, it shouldn't be related to FUMUKU in any way at all, it's a government RP thing. Same applies to the nexus labs, if it takes place there, it's government science RP.

"Soul disallowed the monorail"
Id like to hear that from him as this is the first time im hearing a damn word about it "Im the only one who does it" And no one "Includeing other admins" has had any problems with it, the thing runs 95% perfect, it helps people without cars, and its not a 100% fumuku thing, its funded by us, and run by me, but its not like i only let FUMUKU ride it, anyone gets on as long as they pay for a ticket. "It literaly takes 1 person to run the entire line"

"map is far too small for it to be realistic"

This i dont get at all, the map is not small, its actualy quite large,walking it would be 10-15 minutes to reach the other end


"I would prefer if you didn't class the DEA as a FUMUKU thing,"

We dont, other groups take part in it as well, its just that not EVERYONE is going to get into this, since it requires proper RP, and massive trust, as well as good communication. Ive said this before, i need to be able to trust the person is not going to:
A. Steal the contras money if it still is produceing it
B. Destroy the contras
C. Betray us
D. Follow orders
E. Actualy RP

Some people ask, and i say sorry no, as I myself dont know them enough, and the people inside dont trust them.

If the people already in say they trust them then yea, come on in, but unless they are trusted by the entire team, their not going to get in to our build up operations, and only in the actual Breifing/Planning/Assault

I will say that yes, FUMUKU people tend to get in the most, why? Because their damn trustworthy and do a damn good job at it, if they wish to vouch for somone else, they are free to do so.

Kumonryu people "As few as there are" are often in the DEA operations, either as agents or informants because they can be trusted, and people vouched for them.

Its much like the FUMUKU group itself, anyone can get in, but few will as we have strict requirements and enforce them heavily

You should at least give people a chance to go in the DEA. If they screw up once or twice, fine, disallow them, makes sense. But you can't wait for someone to be trustworthy until you let them in, you need to give them a chance, might turn out they're really good at the RP, even if they normally aren't. Besides, you can just ban them if they ruin it, an admin on the DEA should be more than enough deterrant to start messing things up. Also Soul told.. I think Pechvarry? That he did not allow the monorail system. It was pretty much exactly the same as yours, he said the "map was too small for it". Don't blame me, not my decision.

[Strom]

All I'm saying is this is glorified raiding parties, you guys are passing it off as helping the server but in actuality you're just stealing contra from new players.
Money is the main objective of the gamemode, and when you first start off you either donate or contrawhore.
You can't go around raiding bases for the simple reason of newer players wanting to contrawhore and get more cash, its unfair.

I seriously hope you guys raid me some time, I'll be happy to relieve you of your weapons.

[Dryblood]

Contra is a part of the game, live with it.

[Joey Skylynx]

All I'm saying is this is glorified raiding parties, you guys are passing it off as helping the server but in actuality you're just stealing contra from new players.
Money is the main objective of the gamemode, and when you first start off you either donate or contrawhore.
You can't go around raiding bases for the simple reason of newer players wanting to contrawhore and get more cash, its unfair.

I seriously hope you guys raid me some time, I'll be happy to relieve you of your weapons.

You are given 10K. If this was PERP I would understand, "Contrawhore!" but this isn't... You can easily find a way to make money aside from Contrawhoring, and those who say it's impossible are bad at finances or come with the violent-mentality which seems to be something that you've been promoting ever since your revival on the server.

As for how you attempted to switch the tables with the belief that were some sort of monsters attacking new players that are trying to get started... You should look at this before speaking. The entirety of the rebel team was doing nothing but contrafarming, scoot-looting, and constantly raiding Nexus
If you honestly believe that's was Fearless should be... I recommend playing Gangwars or Dark RP. You would be more fitting there.

[Faustie]

Lads lads let us all..

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Yes, contraband is sometimes overdone. But it does have a place, Soul is making changes to it now making it more difficult to just contrawhore. Hopefully in the future we'll get even more changes, such as needed supplies to keep them running, and making them larger. But there is such a thing as overcontrafarming, which is where the DEA come in. Sometimes it's needed, sometimes it isn't. Maybe it would be better if they didn't constantly harang the newbies who are just looking to gain a bit more money, but if there is just a base of 10 or so people solidly contrawhoring who already have enough money, sure, it's good they respond.

[Strom]

or come with the violent-mentality which seems to be something that you've been promoting ever since your revival on the server.

I recommend playing Gangwars or Dark RP. You would be more fitting there.

I'm tryna -Stop- The violence seen in this thread.
Don't try and start an argument with silly insults bud.

[StillAlive]

Alright so actually I don't see any problems with contrawhoring.

However if it interferes with your job and makes everything boring and unrealistic, I really can't see the benefits in it.
Sometimes I see the whole Corleone team just standing in some place in industrial, looking into the air and waiting for their contraband.
THAT is when I personally think it destroys the RP.