Why?
Allow me to elaborate on the Veteran Tag for you, sir.

I used to be Jokhah, former administrator here at FL. When I was working here, the Veteran Tag was conceived and put into action. There are 3 rules for the Veteran Tag that are not written to the public for reasons unknown, probably because the rulings do not pretain to community members. As they are "private" I will alter them slightly, but retain the critical points of the three, so as to not violate ToS.

1: Administrator rank and above, moderators/teachers/contributors do not apply

2: Service history must be clear, without being removed from position through administrative action

3: User must maintain the standards of that of an administrator (I.E. They have to be a rule following player. Aka, they cannot INTENTIONALLY break the rules, ingame as well as on the forum)

I've gathered Agorith was removed from position, which instantly voided him of his Veteran Tag.

Now these rules are not always evenly applied, as there are vets who have violated, and non vets who didn't violate, however the tag means nothing other than for personal praise, and tends to lead to hate from anti-staff, and tons of questions and demands from other users, so in my experience it's best to not have the tag.

Hope this answer was clear enough for you.

Sincerely,
Old Man Jokhah
I was not removed from my administrative position, I willingly resigned without any prior heads up simply because I was fed up and decided it was best for me to no longer spend enormous amounts of time on administrating a gaming community.

And I'm not hated upon by a large group of the playerbase or anything like it, so I'd rather just have my Veteran tags back.
Overall a Veteran tag doesn't give you anything but the sign of respect for all the hard administrative work you've put into the well being of the community, which I have.
This is a matter of principle for me.
Old Man Jokhah Wrote:3: User must maintain the standards of that of an administrator (I.E. They have to be a rule following player. Aka, they cannot INTENTIONALLY break the rules, ingame as well as on the forum)

This is an incredibly important point.
Kind Regards,

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(11-18-2016, 10:45 PM)AwestruckBullet Wrote:
Old Man Jokhah Wrote:3: User must maintain the standards of that of an administrator (I.E. They have to be a rule following player. Aka, they cannot INTENTIONALLY break the rules, ingame as well as on the forum)

This is an incredibly important point.

Do you REALLY want me to expose you along with your irrational, immature and toxic behaviour?
Except I can't do that, can I? Because once again conveniently for you, I'd be leaking information that is not to be discussed with the general playerbase and stays within the office.
I know you very much dislike me, Awestruck. 
And you're probably doing your darn best to come up with anything and everything on the thread in the office in order to keep me from receiving my tags back.
Hell, you'll probably even use this reply against me on said thread.
But set your personal grudge and bias aside for once, and realise what I've contributed administrative wise has been of much more importance than the issues I've caused.

I've never claimed to be an angel, I've even owed up to mistakes on this thread just a page away.
I have made questionable decisions under temporary moments of negative emotions, but nearly nobody in either the current or previous staff teams can say they haven't had those moments.
Worse staff have gotten their tags, if they deserved them then I certainly do so aswell.
(11-18-2016, 10:53 PM)Agorith Wrote:
(11-18-2016, 10:45 PM)AwestruckBullet Wrote:
Old Man Jokhah Wrote:3: User must maintain the standards of that of an administrator (I.E. They have to be a rule following player. Aka, they cannot INTENTIONALLY break the rules, ingame as well as on the forum)

This is an incredibly important point.

Do you REALLY want me to expose you along with your irrational, immature and toxic behaviour?
Except I can't do that, can I? Because once again conveniently for you, I'd be leaking information that is not to be discussed with the general playerbase and stays within the office.
I know you very much dislike me, Awestruck. 
And you're probably doing your darn best to come up with anything and everything on the thread in the office in order to keep me from receiving my tags back.
Hell, you'll probably even use this reply against me on said thread.
But set your personal grudge and bias aside for once, and realise what I've contributed administrative wise has been of much more importance than the issues I've caused.

I've never claimed to be an angel, I've even owed up to mistakes on this thread just a page away.
I have made questionable decisions under temporary moments of negative emotions, but nearly nobody in either the current or previous staff teams can say they haven't had those moments.
Worse staff have gotten their tags, if they deserved them then I certainly do so aswell.

Sorry, what? Where in the world did that come from. Your intentional saltiness has caused distress on both sides of the spectrum. You constant threats to "expose" me are becoming incredibly petty at this point. It seems you're all bark, but no bite. I never disliked you, I just disliked how your multiple abuses were handled and the way you conducted yourself in certain aspects. You can come up with all these conspiracies about how the 'big evil AwestruckBullet is doing everything in his power to remove me from the face of a gmod community', but that just doesn't cut it. Accusations bode very differently to facts.

Of course, you have made your mistakes, and yes you have owed up to them, which I highly respect. But, it had got to a stage where it became frequent, and this frequent attitude which has actually still stuck as is apparent by the whole team. I will not speak anymore for them however. If they wish to give their opinion they can do so.

"Worse staff have gotten their tags", this does not justify whether you should have your tags back or not.
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(11-18-2016, 11:24 PM)AwestruckBullet Wrote:
(11-18-2016, 10:53 PM)Agorith Wrote:
(11-18-2016, 10:45 PM)AwestruckBullet Wrote:
Old Man Jokhah Wrote:3: User must maintain the standards of that of an administrator (I.E. They have to be a rule following player. Aka, they cannot INTENTIONALLY break the rules, ingame as well as on the forum)

This is an incredibly important point.

Do you REALLY want me to expose you along with your irrational, immature and toxic behaviour?
Except I can't do that, can I? Because once again conveniently for you, I'd be leaking information that is not to be discussed with the general playerbase and stays within the office.
I know you very much dislike me, Awestruck. 
And you're probably doing your darn best to come up with anything and everything on the thread in the office in order to keep me from receiving my tags back.
Hell, you'll probably even use this reply against me on said thread.
But set your personal grudge and bias aside for once, and realise what I've contributed administrative wise has been of much more importance than the issues I've caused.

I've never claimed to be an angel, I've even owed up to mistakes on this thread just a page away.
I have made questionable decisions under temporary moments of negative emotions, but nearly nobody in either the current or previous staff teams can say they haven't had those moments.
Worse staff have gotten their tags, if they deserved them then I certainly do so aswell.

Sorry, what? Where in the world did that come from. Your intentional saltiness has caused distress on both sides of the spectrum. You constant threats to "expose" me are becoming incredibly petty at this point. It seems you're all bark, but no bite. I never disliked you, I just disliked how your multiple abuses were handled and the way you conducted yourself in certain aspects. You can come up with all these conspiracies about how the 'big evil AwestruckBullet is doing everything in his power to remove me from the face of a gmod community', but that just doesn't cut it. Accusations bode very differently to facts.

Of course, you have made your mistakes, and yes you have owed up to them, which I highly respect. But, it had got to a stage where it became frequent, and this frequent attitude which has actually still stuck as is apparent by the whole team. I will not speak anymore for them however. If they wish to give their opinion they can do so.

"Worse staff have gotten their tags", this does not justify whether you should have your tags back or not.

Intentional saltiness comes from intentional laziness I had to keep enduring as a dedicated administrator, and it obviously still frustrates me beyond that rank as does it frustrate many more of the playerbase.
Except I've been there, and my intentional saltiness doesn't just randomly grew on a tree, it came from experience and seeing the facts of how things work around here.

You know damn well my facts are from within my position in the team thus I'm not allowed to speak up with straight up facts, only undetailed accusations. Or barks as you call them.
Constant threats? I've given you one threat on here which isn't much of a threat as I mentioned I can't even give them out.

The only thing I can DO is bark, if I bite it'll get used against me and I'll get put into bigger shitstorms which I have no need to be in any longer.
They're not goddamn conspiracies and you know it.
You hold the upperhand because I can't give out the facts I could use against you.

The way I conduct my opinions troughout the forum you dislike, however they're straight to the point.
I've never been one to just bullshit my way around something and beat around the bush.
Just because you don't like the way I've voiced my opinions on here does not grant you the right to straight up ignore & dismiss them and dislike me for it.
Not once have I seen a valid response or ANY response to my factual saltiness on the forums as of late, I wonder why that is.

And no, it does not fully justify as to whether or not I should receive my Veteran tag back, but I've listed plenty more reasons to this than just that one liner.

I was done here, I resigned with good reason.
But then you went ahead and banned me with invalid reason, then once you fixed that mistake you left me with no tags nor explanation.
I never caused any of this, I was out and happy to be out but then I got pulled straight back in, which I'd rather would not have happened, trust me.
But in the end I'll be the dramaqueen, right? Just because I want back what was mine and unrightfully taken from me out of nowhere.

I'd say I've been punished enough by being put into this cancerous shitstorm.
In my opinion you aren't handling this in a manner that deserves your tag back. I can see why the staff are not that excited giving you back the tag.
So far you've managed to throw a fit for not getting your tag back, after getting a permanent ban lifted. I'd say you should be grateful, whether you think it is unjustified or not, they still could've let you stay banned and rest the case there.

But when you finally got unbanned you immediately demanded your veteran tag back. Demanding you be put on the hall of fame.
And you are still demanding it, after arguing and threatening to "expose" people.

In my personal opinion you don't deserve to get the veteran tag back after the behaviour you showed when it got removed. There are so many respectable veterans on that list and you really have to ask yourself, do you really deserve it?
Because the only thing in common between you and many other veterans on that list, is your administration hours.
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Look Agorith, here's my personal view. You act as though you were the only staff member who cared when in reality, we all wanted shit to get done within the staff team. The difference is, we didn’t whine and moan about it every 20 minutes. Sometimes you just gotta accept that things take a while due to people not being able to focus on FL. It annoys me too sometimes, how slow things can take, but you have just got to grow up and deal with it. Things get done when they get done. FL is a game and I imagine that, quite rightly so, it does not come to the forefront of most people’s lives. Every post you make on the forums lately makes me cringe so hard. Stop acting like some kind of heroic veteran who tried his best to fix the “ever so corrupt and lazy” staff team.
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(11-19-2016, 12:40 AM)Midget Wrote: In my opinion you aren't handling this in a manner that deserves your tag back. I can see why the staff are not that excited giving you back the tag.
So far you've managed to throw a fit for not getting your tag back, after getting a permanent ban lifted. I'd say you should be grateful, whether you think it is unjustified or not, they still could've let you stay banned and rest the case there.

But when you finally got unbanned you immediately demanded your veteran tag back. Demanding you be put on the hall of fame.
And you are still demanding it, after arguing and threatening to "expose" people.

In my personal opinion you don't deserve to get the veteran tag back after the behaviour you showed when it got removed. There are so many respectable veterans on that list and you really have to ask yourself, do you really deserve it?
Because the only thing in common between you and many other veterans on that list, is your administration hours.

As I've said, I don't beat around the bush.
I shouldn't feel grateful for something that was unjustifiedly done to me having been fixed after quite awhile.

I've been throwing a fit because I never wanted any of this, I had resigned for multiple reasons, one of them no longer wanting to deal with any of these shitstorms.
I got forced back in one as soon as they decided to ban me.

How I've reacted on this thread and other threads should have no influence on whether or not I deserve my tags back as it's simply irrelevant to the administration I've done beforehand.
Just because a veteran gets a bit salty here and there doesn't grant them the right to revoke the tag and dismiss all the work and effort they've put in. Which is essentially why you receive the tag in the first place.
I got royally buttfucked with all of this, and I have my rights to be both angered and frustrated by it, nobody will tell me otherwise seeing as I am the one going trough this experience, not anyone else.
(11-19-2016, 12:46 AM)Tomo Wrote: Look Agorith, here's my personal view. You act as though you were the only staff member who cared when in reality, we all wanted shit to get done within the staff team. The difference is, we didn’t whine and moan about it every 20 minutes. Sometimes you just gotta accept that things take a while due to people not being able to focus on FL. It annoys me too sometimes, how slow things can take, but you have just got to grow up and deal with it. Things get done when they get done. FL is a game and I imagine that, quite rightly so, it does not come to the forefront of most people’s lives. Every post you make on the forums lately makes me cringe so hard. Stop acting like some kind of heroic veteran who tried his best to fix the “ever so corrupt and lazy” staff team.

You all keep talking as if I act as though I was the only dedicated staff member when in reality you have nothing to quote that from.
I've even stated otherwise multiple times but conveniently get ignored or read over.
There have been many and still are greater and equally as great staff members in both the previous teams and the current one, no way in hell I'd be saying I am THE best staff member Fearless has ever known.
And we are all our individual persons, you're allowed to stand by and watch as everything gets done very slowly just as I am allowed to moan and release my frustration vocally.

Seeing as most staff are plenty active ingame and on the forums, things could have always been done far better and quicker.
THAT is why I kept being as frustrated as I was, and I kept complaining about it.
People were actually still dedicating nearly all free time on Fearless, just not the way it should be.
Minor issues were always thrown on the sidelines to ROT, rather than just being fixed straight away when they barely required any effort to fix.
In the end you are correct to say this is just a game, and just a gaming community.
But everyone just uses that when it's convenient to state, when at any other point we take everything so serious on here.
There is no justification for this to take this long, nor is there any justification for any other rather simple cases to take this long.
You're all on here nearly all of your free time, so why isn't anything actually getting done?
Because staff tend to look at a thread, leave a reply if they wish to do so and leave it to rot for another day even though much more could have been accomplished on that thread, on that day.

The only thing I'm acting as is a previous staff member that wants back what was taken from him.
All this frustration and saltiness I've provided as of late comes from the very actions you (Not specifically you obv) have made.
I would have been long gone by now if it weren't for all this.
Note that I've never called the staff team corrupt or any other illuminati crap like it.
I have called them lazy, and you simply can not deny for me to be wrong on it.

I did try to fix the laziness and slow processes when I was still a staff member, but I will say I did not try hard enough.
I mostly just tried to fix it trough talking, which never worked.
I'll say I was at fault there, seeing as I went at it the wrong way, but I tried regardless. 
In the end there's nothing you can do about it, as it's them that have to realise what's happening.
I resigned because I had given up, because I realised I couldn't do anything about it, but I also no longer wanted to be a part of it if I couldn't get it fixed.


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