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12-14-2014, 11:47 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-01-2022, 01:03 AM by Fearless Community.
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I do find the ban here to be fairly rushed. After it occurred and I was asked to look into it a little I saw that no two people could give me the same reason for the ban - Everyone I spoke to gave me a different reason, making me think this wasn't very thoroughly discussed. BlackDog thought it was all about him, SirCrow told me it wasn't at all about BlackDog but about breaking Street Crime rules, and so on. I asked every party if any evidence could be given, to which the answer was "no", so what we have here is a permaban without hard evidence to support it, that seems to be based on a misunderstanding of the street crime rules.
I asked BlackDog if he had any evidence of harassment, and he said that he did not, therefore we cannot issue a ban on the grounds of harassment, certainly not a perma without evidence.
I discussed the matter with SirCrow last night a little, and I can't say that I approved of the ban. "Promoting aggressiveRP" in itself is not a banning offence, as aggressiveRP is a major part of our servers. We need to stop using "unwritten rules" for this kind of thing, as it's unfair on players and inconsistent within the staff.
When it came to the street crime rules, I found the ban to be very rushed. Talking about drugs, even talking about buying or selling them, is not a criminal offence unless the president explicitly states that talking about drugs is against the law. If the cops then had genuine suspicion he planned to sell, this could have been roleplayed. Talking about selling drugs is not against our rules, and nor was it against the president's laws at the time. When I mentioned this, SirCrow said that we happily arrest people who run red lights and so on, even if the president does not specifically make it a law. That is true, but the point is we arrest them - We don't ban them for it. Technically, running a red light in front of a police officer is just as much a violation of the street crime rules as talking about selling drugs is. But we never ban for this, it is always roleplayed, why was this not?
Apologies if I got anyone's point of view on this wrong - It was very late when I spoke to you all, and it's hard to remember everything perfectly. If I got anything wrong, feel free to correct me.
I asked BlackDog if he had any evidence of harassment, and he said that he did not, therefore we cannot issue a ban on the grounds of harassment, certainly not a perma without evidence.
I discussed the matter with SirCrow last night a little, and I can't say that I approved of the ban. "Promoting aggressiveRP" in itself is not a banning offence, as aggressiveRP is a major part of our servers. We need to stop using "unwritten rules" for this kind of thing, as it's unfair on players and inconsistent within the staff.
When it came to the street crime rules, I found the ban to be very rushed. Talking about drugs, even talking about buying or selling them, is not a criminal offence unless the president explicitly states that talking about drugs is against the law. If the cops then had genuine suspicion he planned to sell, this could have been roleplayed. Talking about selling drugs is not against our rules, and nor was it against the president's laws at the time. When I mentioned this, SirCrow said that we happily arrest people who run red lights and so on, even if the president does not specifically make it a law. That is true, but the point is we arrest them - We don't ban them for it. Technically, running a red light in front of a police officer is just as much a violation of the street crime rules as talking about selling drugs is. But we never ban for this, it is always roleplayed, why was this not?
Apologies if I got anyone's point of view on this wrong - It was very late when I spoke to you all, and it's hard to remember everything perfectly. If I got anything wrong, feel free to correct me.