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08-14-2014, 06:36 PM
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Your name: little green friend
Your ban ID: 52307
Banned by: [FL] Venom
Reason: Bypassing banned props, teaching others how to do it.
Involved: [FL:RP]Futilelamb
Why we should unban you: I saw futilelamb creating a SAM launcher on the back of a truck which used incredibly blocky low quality missiles that most likely used up more props than they should. I told him he could use a PHX AMRAAM prop instead, and told him how to spawn it. He said he'd see if it was acceptable before doing it. The next day he came back to me asking how it was done and thanking me. Later I was banned for 9 months.
When beflok was admin, and we worked together on designing tomorrow, I told him about using buttons to build and he said it was alright, and found it quite interesting. This let me to believe it would be perfectly acceptable to do similar methods in order to enhance roleplay constructions. The blacklist exists almost entirely to stop griefers, and what I was using it for was to improve construction using props that are only blocked to prevent misuse, and the inability to use them in this context is one of the major negatives of a blacklist existing. In this particular case, the prop was blocked due to being explosive, and how it was spawned would stop it from being explosive. Common sense would say it would be fine to use it here. It's like if I spawned a default oil drum prop and used the explosive oil drum material on it.
A 9 month ban for something that was entirely harmless is ridiculous, especially for something where a lot of common sense would say it's acceptable, it's the sort of punishment someone coming on purely to grief would get. If someone joined and went around prop killing the moment they joined, they would probably not even get the same length of time. Having a quick look through the ban list, I find many similar ban lengths feature reasons like "Massive teamkilling, 10 bans in 60 hours. Take this time to read the rules.", "Abusing Hydraulics, Prop pushing cars/Blocking", "BRA (50253) - Propblock/push - No intention to RP (Extended due to current ban)" etc(infact most of these have far shorter ban times than 9 months, and there are many cases of 2-3 weeks for similar unacceptable tihngs). The fact that someone who has no intention of following the rules, and only wants to disrupt the server as much as possible should receive bans along the lines of 3-6 months, while someone harmlessly attempting to improve building(with good reason to believe what they are doing is fine) should receive a 9 month ban is utterly ridiculous.
Your ban ID: 52307
Banned by: [FL] Venom
Reason: Bypassing banned props, teaching others how to do it.
Involved: [FL:RP]Futilelamb
Why we should unban you: I saw futilelamb creating a SAM launcher on the back of a truck which used incredibly blocky low quality missiles that most likely used up more props than they should. I told him he could use a PHX AMRAAM prop instead, and told him how to spawn it. He said he'd see if it was acceptable before doing it. The next day he came back to me asking how it was done and thanking me. Later I was banned for 9 months.
When beflok was admin, and we worked together on designing tomorrow, I told him about using buttons to build and he said it was alright, and found it quite interesting. This let me to believe it would be perfectly acceptable to do similar methods in order to enhance roleplay constructions. The blacklist exists almost entirely to stop griefers, and what I was using it for was to improve construction using props that are only blocked to prevent misuse, and the inability to use them in this context is one of the major negatives of a blacklist existing. In this particular case, the prop was blocked due to being explosive, and how it was spawned would stop it from being explosive. Common sense would say it would be fine to use it here. It's like if I spawned a default oil drum prop and used the explosive oil drum material on it.
A 9 month ban for something that was entirely harmless is ridiculous, especially for something where a lot of common sense would say it's acceptable, it's the sort of punishment someone coming on purely to grief would get. If someone joined and went around prop killing the moment they joined, they would probably not even get the same length of time. Having a quick look through the ban list, I find many similar ban lengths feature reasons like "Massive teamkilling, 10 bans in 60 hours. Take this time to read the rules.", "Abusing Hydraulics, Prop pushing cars/Blocking", "BRA (50253) - Propblock/push - No intention to RP (Extended due to current ban)" etc(infact most of these have far shorter ban times than 9 months, and there are many cases of 2-3 weeks for similar unacceptable tihngs). The fact that someone who has no intention of following the rules, and only wants to disrupt the server as much as possible should receive bans along the lines of 3-6 months, while someone harmlessly attempting to improve building(with good reason to believe what they are doing is fine) should receive a 9 month ban is utterly ridiculous.