Ban Request - Daddy Rool & Caratheus

[ilmon3y]

your evidence stands for very little in my opinion. you had no nlr timer so clearly hadn't been in the raid at any point before so have no right to start preaching who was killed etc etc. your statement " broke inside and began to randomly gun down a desk secretary" is completley innacurate, a desk secretary did get involved in the gunfight near the end because they tried to prop a door open for ss to shoot through! "Then they proceeded to kill many others that were either unarmed or were in handcuffs. When they both reached a room full of innocents, they immediately gunned them all down at once" the people that were killed were all hiding in a dark room with the president, very difficult to distinguish between citizens and the president who was using them as bullet shields, i may add that president also broke fear rp and run away just before he was put down.

"They did this as citizens." we were vigilantes (yes, ive seen aviators definition of vigilante, but i think it can be interpreted in different ways and is not written in the rules a clear definition)

"This continued for a while until we finally managed to stop the two. " after the raid there was no method of escape as the police and ss were blocking exit and started firing at us again starting another raid

"Afterwards, they claimed that they were abused by the police and that the raid was their act of retaliation. However, I never saw either of them get arrested once, or them complaining about the actions the forces were carrying out." we tried very hard to co-operate earlier in the game and even tried to protect the police, but after showing no interest in the hostaged policeman we then became subject to the police who were trying to get us arrested for helping them and therefore turning us against police

"Even so, I saw no mention of a raid in the chat, so this was clearly initiated at random and without any legitimate reason." in the heat of the moment and not having time to stop and type raid for all to see, we used our voice chat in game to shout raid, there was a civilian that heard this but i have no idea of their name

GLHF

I had a NLR timer but, if you had read what I posted, I wasn't able to capture until later into the raid after I was first killed. I was there from the beginning and I witnessed you killing both government officials and other citizens.

And it doesn't matter what you might interpret the definition of 'Vigilante' as, whether you were working with the government before or you were independent, you do NOT kill innocents. It doesn't have to be in the rules, it's common sense, and it can be classed as RDM.

If you were planning to raid at the given time, it's mandatory that you announce it prior to starting, not open fire on everyone and shouting "RAID!" on the go.

The first that I saw from you, your job was set to citizen. The fact that you changed it to 'Vigilante' after you killed a fair number of people doesn't excuse the fact you initiated it as a citizen to begin with.