What’s your thoughts on the current situation of the server?

[Tim]

I think you are forgetting that nobody here can pull magnificent changes and updates out their ass.

It takes time and work. Be patient.

Though I do agree with this in moderation, this thread was created in mid February. That's over three months ago. The amount of stuff you can get done in a week is surprising, let alone 90+ days; and that's not even taking into account that you have a whole team of people 'working' on it.

Again, not to hate on the management, but, as I always say to Grizzly, you can't expect anything from anyone unless you pay them, which is maybe where the core issue lies. After all, as they quite rightly say, they've (supposedly) got other things to do, so why should they spend their effort fixing Fearless? Passion can only go so far.

But, if it's not an issue with passion, motivation and time availability, then sadly it's competency.

It's motivation, development anyway is by far the most experienced and competent FL has ever had. Just with better developers, they also tend to want more (such as pay) and for things to run a bit smoother. Development on FL has always been very motivation and somewhat impulse based, you feel like working on x feature so you do it that day. If you have to wait for literally weeks to get things such as pay and a plan sorted, you tend to be burned out before you even start. Conn and myself have pushed hard for things to change in this regard and a lot has been promised, however we're still not even close to actual meaningful change.

We (developers) haven't done much more than basic maintenance because of this.

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So they've been doing exams for 14 years straight? This is no excuse for the lack of major updates and actual development. There has to have been some time in between. They just let it ride it out instead of doing something, which shows. Not saying it's wrong to prioritize yourself over a game. But that excuse only goes so far.

Lets not blame the current team for the past 14 years of team. Come on now that logic can't even hold up. Just because we have the benefit of hindsight it doesn't mean the team say 3 years ago could have predicted where we are at currently. We are in a bad situation don't get me wrong. However, for the next few weeks, myself and many on the team will be prioritising our futures.

I see where your coming from and I understand and respect what you mean. But who is else is to blame? Especially when Pollux said y'all just let the server do its thing and wait for it to come back instead of updating and actually making changes to a severely outdated gamemode. It sure isn't the community's fault.

I literally said the exact opposite, I said I don't expect it to be like that at all this time. You misunderstood what I said entirely.

Lets not blame the current team for the past 14 years of team. Come on now that logic can't even hold up. Just because we have the benefit of hindsight it doesn't mean the team say 3 years ago could have predicted where we are at currently. We are in a bad situation don't get me wrong. However, for the next few weeks, myself and many on the team will be prioritising our futures.

I see where your coming from and I understand and respect what you mean. But who is else is to blame? Especially when Pollux said y'all just let the server do its thing and wait for it to come back instead of updating and actually making changes to a severely outdated gamemode. It sure isn't the community's fault.

But equally, for example, myself and Pollux have been Management since the beginning of the year. How are we personally to blame for 13 years of prior work? That's like blaming an employee of a company for its failure in the past when they've just received a promotion.

True. However, when working for a "company" you are responsible for the company's reputation and right now FLs reputation isn't so good. You make it sound like we just got into a new year. It might be surprising but we are pretty much half way through 2022 already. So the beginning of the year was nearly 6 months ago, half a year. Which is a decent amount of time. A lot can change in 6 months, could change but it hasn't. Just like the past 14 years.

Mate if you want to apply for Contributor and show us how it's done, feel free to. Come learn how hard it is to make things for a gamemode that is older than some people who play it, while also doing all of your work for free, with a dumb mess of protocol to get through before doing anything meaningful. Development isn't the issue here, SoulRipper somehow standardized the idea of an owner doing 0% of the work and getting 100% of the profit and nothing has changed since. FL has never been much more than basic maintenance and a few features because of that and this is the result.

FL is in a tricky position and on top of that there's a ton of core issues that need to be resolved, sitting there with zero experience going "just change literally everything, re-write the gamemode!!" doesn't help at all. If I had some magic solution that took little effort I would've done it by now, it just doesn't exist and the motivation for getting much more done doesn't exist either from pretty much everyone. It's amazing FL has survived this long and I still have hope things may improve (I'd resign if I didn't), however no one benefits from me lying and pretending everything is fine.

Soulripper has long since been out of the picture and It probably is difficult but are you tellin me it takes years to update a Garry's mod server, you make it sound like it close to impossible. Here's the thing. It's been 6 months since the beginning of the year. Since you and joe joe have been in management according to joe joe's statement. That's a decent amount of time and yet there's been no change. There's been plenty of time and plenty more to come. Money shouldn't be the leading motivator either. If this protocol is the problem change it, it's clearly flawed if it doesn't allow the server to be updated. When I say CHANGE I don't mean by the snap of a finger either, "mate". I have a good idea of how time consuming development can be, which is why 6 months a certainly enough time to have been at least some change. Exams don't last 6 months either. If you all care about the server like you say, seeing it failing should be enough motivation to save it, not just money. There are solutions and no of course they don't happen in an instant but they don't take a year or more either.