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05-08-2021, 12:09 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-01-2022, 01:08 AM by Fearless Community. Edited 4 times in total.
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Hi Cygnus,
Thank-you for bringing this to our attention, and quoting the rules you believe to have been broken.
I am involved in this situation, as I was the gentleman running the tailor shop RP.
I can confirm that I was roleplaying as the only employee of the tailor shop, and Lewwings was a customer, attempting to have a suit made.
Multiple members of the public were refusing to leave the private part of the property, and were vandalising our operations. They did this by climbing in and hiding inside the wardrobe of our fitting room, which contained clothes of clients who had fitting appointments (worth many thousands of dollars), and by climbing on the wooden railings.
The shotgun, which in the RP belonged to the tailoring shop (was located behind the tailor's desk), was equipped as a deterrent to encourage the gentlemen to leave the property.
This was a last resort, and was superseded by multiple verbal warnings; every attempt was made by my part to resolve the situation in a passive manner.
I could have called the police department, however given my character's backstory, the backstory behind the dupe, and the Second Amendment, I felt it within the roleplay to take the vandalistic behaviour, that was slowing down business, into my own hands.
It's very frustrating to me that, throughout the RP, and now in this thread, myself and Lewwings are being victimised. I was simply trying to roleplay something that I'm passionate about to the best of my ability, and manage the coordinated disruption in as professional and in character way as possible.
"2.7a If you wish to roleplay a “Criminal” style, you need to create an in-depth group/gang to do so. This allows the roleplay to have longevity through multiple sessions including interaction with other groups or gangs."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
Equipping a shotgun does not automatically make someone a criminal, especially since there was no president at the time, so the permanent laws took precedency.
Weapons are not banned by default, and as I was the lawful taxpaying owner of the property, this does not count as a public display of weapons, as it is my property. I'm happy to discuss property law if this is a concern.
The police officer also confirms this at 8 seconds in to your video.
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To add to this, this specific tailor shop and my character are being considered in a wider recurring context, which plays in to the idea of them being acquainted with weaponry.
"5.8 Do not build custom doors behind doors that are not ownable."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
In regards to your point about propblock, the door prop was nocollided, and the police could not enter as the door had been locked closed from the inside, as I believe at the time the shop had reached its capacity.
As this is the first time I've used this dupe on main in almost 3 years, it became apparent to me later in the session that you couldn't open/lock the door from the outside, as the prop is too close to the door to hover over it. I intend to fix this in my next iteration of the dupe, and fully accept this.
This was not intentional and was done to aid the build's aesthetics, and was not at all considered as this the dupe was built for passive roleplay.
If the police actually reached out to me via pms, I would have obliged to unlock the door as it was a passive dupe, I was not basing, and had nothing to hide. However, no attempt was made by the police to contact myself to open up.
"9.2 Doomforts are not allowed, there must be a fair chance of victory for the attackers (keypads must have cover provided, corridors must fit two people if there is a shooting hole - slums corridor cannot be made smaller."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
"9.7 When basing, no-collided doors may only be actual door props. Otherwise, you must use a keypad or button in order to open it."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
"2.7 Custom job titles must be realistic, specific and accurately state what character you intend roleplay. (Do not set your job as 'Classified/Criminal/Thug’ for example). If you wish to roleplay as something considered inhuman then it must require admin permission, unless it is hidden from public view."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
My job was set as 'Tailor', and I roleplayed as a tailor for probably around two hours. Tailors and shotguns are not mutually exclusive, and someone can still be something by trade, even if they have other interests.
"9.1 The following buildings are prohibited from being a base or having the use of contraband in them: City BP, Outer BP, McDonald's, SanRanevo Customs, SanRanevo Showroom, All Pearl Plaza stores (Superstore also), Tuna Tuna Nightclub, Slums Shop, Slums Restaurant, Tides Hotel, Barracuda Building and free standing bases in any area within the city."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
I was not basing, had no contraband, was not defending anything of value, and holstered my weapon at the earliest convenience.
"Much to the dismay of the police force, and maybe even some of the adults, Lewwings broke up a raid on himself after he and his fellows equipped shotguns to deal with a non-violent threat in their office during a "PassiveRP""
It was only me who equipped a shotgun, and though technically 'non-violent', their behaviour was detrimental and malicious. Most importantly, I feel my response was a realistic outcome of the behaviour displayed.
In regards to Lewwings' response, I personally feel it was completely justified.
By the time the police got there, the situation was already over, and I believe my gun had already been holstered.
This was the second time this exact situation had unfolded in this play session, with the first time resulting in me being placed in handcuffs, the property being checked for my ownership and searched, and the situation being resolved peacefully, with the perpetrators being escorted away, and me being released. Again, at 8 seconds in to your video, the police officer confirms that they know that no gun laws had been broken.
This first instance was played out in full (despite it being a passiverp), but majorly disrupted the flow and enjoyment of the roleplay.
Though I can't put words in his mouth, given it was the same situation, with the same perpetrators, and it had already been dealt with before and was confirmed as legal, I feel a second raid would have been a pointless exercise, especially as the rp was fully passive.
It is unfortunate that there was no attempt made on your part to clarify the situation with myself prior to this posting, which I hope has now been communicated.
Please let me know if you have any further questions, or if you would like a call to discuss any of the points.
Edit: Just read your above replies. Please can you play Blaz some respect considering he's doing his best to answer the queries you brought up.
Many thanks,
Link
Thank-you for bringing this to our attention, and quoting the rules you believe to have been broken.
I am involved in this situation, as I was the gentleman running the tailor shop RP.
I can confirm that I was roleplaying as the only employee of the tailor shop, and Lewwings was a customer, attempting to have a suit made.
Multiple members of the public were refusing to leave the private part of the property, and were vandalising our operations. They did this by climbing in and hiding inside the wardrobe of our fitting room, which contained clothes of clients who had fitting appointments (worth many thousands of dollars), and by climbing on the wooden railings.
The shotgun, which in the RP belonged to the tailoring shop (was located behind the tailor's desk), was equipped as a deterrent to encourage the gentlemen to leave the property.
This was a last resort, and was superseded by multiple verbal warnings; every attempt was made by my part to resolve the situation in a passive manner.
I could have called the police department, however given my character's backstory, the backstory behind the dupe, and the Second Amendment, I felt it within the roleplay to take the vandalistic behaviour, that was slowing down business, into my own hands.
It's very frustrating to me that, throughout the RP, and now in this thread, myself and Lewwings are being victimised. I was simply trying to roleplay something that I'm passionate about to the best of my ability, and manage the coordinated disruption in as professional and in character way as possible.
"2.7a If you wish to roleplay a “Criminal” style, you need to create an in-depth group/gang to do so. This allows the roleplay to have longevity through multiple sessions including interaction with other groups or gangs."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
Equipping a shotgun does not automatically make someone a criminal, especially since there was no president at the time, so the permanent laws took precedency.
Weapons are not banned by default, and as I was the lawful taxpaying owner of the property, this does not count as a public display of weapons, as it is my property. I'm happy to discuss property law if this is a concern.
The police officer also confirms this at 8 seconds in to your video.
To add to this, this specific tailor shop and my character are being considered in a wider recurring context, which plays in to the idea of them being acquainted with weaponry.
"5.8 Do not build custom doors behind doors that are not ownable."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
In regards to your point about propblock, the door prop was nocollided, and the police could not enter as the door had been locked closed from the inside, as I believe at the time the shop had reached its capacity.
As this is the first time I've used this dupe on main in almost 3 years, it became apparent to me later in the session that you couldn't open/lock the door from the outside, as the prop is too close to the door to hover over it. I intend to fix this in my next iteration of the dupe, and fully accept this.
This was not intentional and was done to aid the build's aesthetics, and was not at all considered as this the dupe was built for passive roleplay.
If the police actually reached out to me via pms, I would have obliged to unlock the door as it was a passive dupe, I was not basing, and had nothing to hide. However, no attempt was made by the police to contact myself to open up.
"9.2 Doomforts are not allowed, there must be a fair chance of victory for the attackers (keypads must have cover provided, corridors must fit two people if there is a shooting hole - slums corridor cannot be made smaller."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
"9.7 When basing, no-collided doors may only be actual door props. Otherwise, you must use a keypad or button in order to open it."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
"2.7 Custom job titles must be realistic, specific and accurately state what character you intend roleplay. (Do not set your job as 'Classified/Criminal/Thug’ for example). If you wish to roleplay as something considered inhuman then it must require admin permission, unless it is hidden from public view."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
My job was set as 'Tailor', and I roleplayed as a tailor for probably around two hours. Tailors and shotguns are not mutually exclusive, and someone can still be something by trade, even if they have other interests.
"9.1 The following buildings are prohibited from being a base or having the use of contraband in them: City BP, Outer BP, McDonald's, SanRanevo Customs, SanRanevo Showroom, All Pearl Plaza stores (Superstore also), Tuna Tuna Nightclub, Slums Shop, Slums Restaurant, Tides Hotel, Barracuda Building and free standing bases in any area within the city."
Please can you elaborate how this has been broken?
I was not basing, had no contraband, was not defending anything of value, and holstered my weapon at the earliest convenience.
"Much to the dismay of the police force, and maybe even some of the adults, Lewwings broke up a raid on himself after he and his fellows equipped shotguns to deal with a non-violent threat in their office during a "PassiveRP""
It was only me who equipped a shotgun, and though technically 'non-violent', their behaviour was detrimental and malicious. Most importantly, I feel my response was a realistic outcome of the behaviour displayed.
In regards to Lewwings' response, I personally feel it was completely justified.
By the time the police got there, the situation was already over, and I believe my gun had already been holstered.
This was the second time this exact situation had unfolded in this play session, with the first time resulting in me being placed in handcuffs, the property being checked for my ownership and searched, and the situation being resolved peacefully, with the perpetrators being escorted away, and me being released. Again, at 8 seconds in to your video, the police officer confirms that they know that no gun laws had been broken.
This first instance was played out in full (despite it being a passiverp), but majorly disrupted the flow and enjoyment of the roleplay.
Though I can't put words in his mouth, given it was the same situation, with the same perpetrators, and it had already been dealt with before and was confirmed as legal, I feel a second raid would have been a pointless exercise, especially as the rp was fully passive.
It is unfortunate that there was no attempt made on your part to clarify the situation with myself prior to this posting, which I hope has now been communicated.
Please let me know if you have any further questions, or if you would like a call to discuss any of the points.
Edit: Just read your above replies. Please can you play Blaz some respect considering he's doing his best to answer the queries you brought up.
Many thanks,
Link