A Pickle for the Knowing Ones (serious)

[Cygnus]

Of course sometimes an Admin will make a genuine mistake when punishing someone, no-one said they don't. If an Admin is too prideful to see that, they shouldn't really be an admin and should be reported to an SA as soon as possible as it's not a trait we look for.

If you have a genuine concern about admin misconduct or abuse, use the Admin Abuse section of the Forums. It's proven useful, especially when I was SA.

It's entirely possible to just lie as the rules are very subjective. Jessixa never got punished for randomly banning me for 8 months, so I doubt anyone else would be.

[Cygnus]

As a very experienced player and fine, upstanding member of this establishment. Because they banned you, likely because they saw you break the rules.

If there is context or things aren't always as they seem, that's where the UBR comes in, it them gives that admin a further chance to consider:

1. What they already know from the actual ban itself.

2. Any new evidence provided. If there isn't any new evidence then that admins decision would stand.

3. The opportunity for a witness statement if involved that was perhaps not considered at the time of the ban.

All said and done however, don't break the rules you won't get banned.

The rules aren't specific and staff are allowed to ban for any reason

[Marty]

As a very experienced player and fine, upstanding member of this establishment. Because they banned you, likely because they saw you break the rules.

If there is context or things aren't always as they seem, that's where the UBR comes in, it them gives that admin a further chance to consider:

1. What they already know from the actual ban itself.

2. Any new evidence provided. If there isn't any new evidence then that admins decision would stand.

3. The opportunity for a witness statement if involved that was perhaps not considered at the time of the ban.

All said and done however, don't break the rules you won't get banned.

The rules aren't specific and staff are allowed to ban for any reason

The rules are actually incredibly specific. Compared to what they were in say 5-6 years ago.

[Cygnus]

As a very experienced player and fine, upstanding member of this establishment. Because they banned you, likely because they saw you break the rules.

If there is context or things aren't always as they seem, that's where the UBR comes in, it them gives that admin a further chance to consider:

1. What they already know from the actual ban itself.

2. Any new evidence provided. If there isn't any new evidence then that admins decision would stand.

3. The opportunity for a witness statement if involved that was perhaps not considered at the time of the ban.

All said and done however, don't break the rules you won't get banned.

The rules aren't specific and staff are allowed to ban for any reason

The rules are actually incredibly specific. Compared to what they were in say 5-6 years ago.

The rules currently say
"One-way windows/props are ok, even in a defensive structure (i.e. as part of a security checkpoint), but you cannot use them as part of, or directly adjacent to, a firing position to give you an immediate advantage in combat."
I've been blacklisted for this previously, so they can't be very specific.


This is also not true

as players can run into oncoming gunfire (i.e rush) despite that not being a real tactic.
You're also not required to put down your weapon in a hostage scenario if there's no chance of you surviving anyways.

[MasterNoda]

What you dont see is the private staff discord that we have where we will likely bring up any weird or off things that other staff do, like unbanning or banning when it doesnt make sense. We also talk to each other through hidden messages on most unban requests. If admins are ingame handling a sit, there is a likely chance that they ask for a second opinion if they feel its needed, and admins hovering around sits where it only looks like there is a single admin. There is plenty of admins overseeing admins, you dont have anything to worry about. If you do happen to see something off, you can make an AA and it will be looked at.

[Cygnus]

What you dont see is the private staff discord that we have where we will likely bring up any weird or off things that other staff do, like unbanning or banning when it doesnt make sense. We also talk to each other through hidden messages on most unban requests. If admins are ingame handling a sit, there is a likely chance that they ask for a second opinion if they feel its needed, and admins hovering around sits where it only looks like there is a single admin. There is plenty of admins overseeing admins, you dont have anything to worry about. If you do happen to see something off, you can make an AA and it will be looked at.

Then how do false bans etc still occur? Clearly what you're doing isn't working very well.

[MasterNoda]

What you dont see is the private staff discord that we have where we will likely bring up any weird or off things that other staff do, like unbanning or banning when it doesnt make sense. We also talk to each other through hidden messages on most unban requests. If admins are ingame handling a sit, there is a likely chance that they ask for a second opinion if they feel its needed, and admins hovering around sits where it only looks like there is a single admin. There is plenty of admins overseeing admins, you dont have anything to worry about. If you do happen to see something off, you can make an AA and it will be looked at.

Then how do false bans etc still occur? Clearly what you're doing isn't working very well.

I used words like "most" and "likely" for a reason. We are human, we make mistakes. You can't expect perfect work from players who volunteer time making rulings on something as subjective as roleplay. If a truly false ban occurs, an unban solves that.

How many of our bans are legitimate vs non-legitimate? Honestly, look at the sheer amount of bans and blacklists we have and tell me how many of those were wrongly given, and out of those how many stayed? If the number of unfair/incorrect bans and blacklists is high than we have a problem. 

Right now it just looks like there are complaints over issues that dont even exist, at least not to the extent that players such as yourself are making it out to be. Do you even have a number to work with here?

[Cygnus]

What you dont see is the private staff discord that we have where we will likely bring up any weird or off things that other staff do, like unbanning or banning when it doesnt make sense. We also talk to each other through hidden messages on most unban requests. If admins are ingame handling a sit, there is a likely chance that they ask for a second opinion if they feel its needed, and admins hovering around sits where it only looks like there is a single admin. There is plenty of admins overseeing admins, you dont have anything to worry about. If you do happen to see something off, you can make an AA and it will be looked at.

Then how do false bans etc still occur? Clearly what you're doing isn't working very well.

I used words like "most" and "likely" for a reason. We are human, we make mistakes. You can't expect perfect work from players who volunteer time making rulings on something as subjective as roleplay. If a truly false ban occurs, an unban solves that.

How many of our bans are legitimate vs non-legitimate? Honestly, look at the sheer amount of bans and blacklists we have and tell me how many of those were wrongly given, and out of those how many stayed? If the number of unfair/incorrect bans and blacklists is high than we have a problem. 

Right now it just looks like there are complaints over issues that dont even exist, at least not to the extent that players such as yourself are making it out to be. Do you even have a number to work with here?

Let's say you're falsely ToS banned and have no contact to players or staff, know that ToS bans are given out pretty lightly
How will you get unbanned?

[MasterNoda]

What you dont see is the private staff discord that we have where we will likely bring up any weird or off things that other staff do, like unbanning or banning when it doesnt make sense. We also talk to each other through hidden messages on most unban requests. If admins are ingame handling a sit, there is a likely chance that they ask for a second opinion if they feel its needed, and admins hovering around sits where it only looks like there is a single admin. There is plenty of admins overseeing admins, you dont have anything to worry about. If you do happen to see something off, you can make an AA and it will be looked at.

Then how do false bans etc still occur? Clearly what you're doing isn't working very well.

I used words like "most" and "likely" for a reason. We are human, we make mistakes. You can't expect perfect work from players who volunteer time making rulings on something as subjective as roleplay. If a truly false ban occurs, an unban solves that.

How many of our bans are legitimate vs non-legitimate? Honestly, look at the sheer amount of bans and blacklists we have and tell me how many of those were wrongly given, and out of those how many stayed? If the number of unfair/incorrect bans and blacklists is high than we have a problem. 

Right now it just looks like there are complaints over issues that dont even exist, at least not to the extent that players such as yourself are making it out to be. Do you even have a number to work with here?

Let's say you're falsely ToS banned and have no contact to players or staff, know that ToS bans are given out pretty lightly
How will you get unbanned?

We don't give out TOS bans lightly. If a user breaks TOS, they no longer get the service, hence, terms of service. Only something like a formality or proof that they are innocent of what they were accused of will let the banned user back into the server.

It's a video game roleplaying server we don't need intricate methods that deal with every edge case. If something comes up that should be handled it has been proven time and time again that it will be solved one way or another.

Again, it is incredibly rare that a TOS ban is false, and some people only come back because of ignored unban requests and not because they were innocent.

[Cygnus]

What you dont see is the private staff discord that we have where we will likely bring up any weird or off things that other staff do, like unbanning or banning when it doesnt make sense. We also talk to each other through hidden messages on most unban requests. If admins are ingame handling a sit, there is a likely chance that they ask for a second opinion if they feel its needed, and admins hovering around sits where it only looks like there is a single admin. There is plenty of admins overseeing admins, you dont have anything to worry about. If you do happen to see something off, you can make an AA and it will be looked at.

Then how do false bans etc still occur? Clearly what you're doing isn't working very well.

I used words like "most" and "likely" for a reason. We are human, we make mistakes. You can't expect perfect work from players who volunteer time making rulings on something as subjective as roleplay. If a truly false ban occurs, an unban solves that.

How many of our bans are legitimate vs non-legitimate? Honestly, look at the sheer amount of bans and blacklists we have and tell me how many of those were wrongly given, and out of those how many stayed? If the number of unfair/incorrect bans and blacklists is high than we have a problem. 

Right now it just looks like there are complaints over issues that dont even exist, at least not to the extent that players such as yourself are making it out to be. Do you even have a number to work with here?

Let's say you're falsely ToS banned and have no contact to players or staff, know that ToS bans are given out pretty lightly
How will you get unbanned?

We don't give out TOS bans lightly. If a user breaks TOS, they no longer get the service, hence, terms of service. Only something like a formality or proof that they are innocent of what they were accused of will let the banned user back into the server.

It's a video game roleplaying server we don't need intricate methods that deal with every edge case. If something comes up that should be handled it has been proven time and time again that it will be solved one way or another.

Again, it is incredibly rare that a TOS ban is false, and some people only come back because of ignored unban requests and not because they were innocent.

There is clearly no proof required for a TOS ban to be made in the first place which assists lying.