Turtle
#1
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Reported User(s): Turtle

Reported User's SteamID: I do not know

Date & Time (GMT): 16/7/19 @ 1:00 - 4:00 GMT

Summary of the incident
Right. This is a long one because this series of incidents went on from about 1AM to 4AM, but I stole all the most relevant footage down to under 30 minutes. As well as the PR he issued recently.

#1 - Metagaming, Mr Turtle was Metagaming the whole time and while you may counter argue that you didn't act with the information you got from Metagaming, you did.

"Metagaming is when you use Out-Of-Character (OOC) information In-Character (IC). What happens IC should stay IC, and anything OOC is not relevant to IC roleplay. You also cannot use IC information obtained from OOC sources, such as the scoreboard, which displays IC information such as jobs and character names."

The game mode specifically disables PMing in jail but Turtle circumvented this with discord or other voice chat outside of the game.

#2 - Insulting in player report, as you can see he kept insulting us and even after being notified about it, he kept insulting us. It breaks the PR rule number 4:

4. Try and keep your comments short, informative and avoid using strong language.

As well as the forum rule:

2d.) Do not insult forum members or staff members. If you do so, you may face a forum warning or suspension.

And as he kept doing it even after being notified, he should definitely recieve at least a warning.

#3 - The whole PR that I linked breaks this BR rule:

9. Player reports should only include one situation, unless the report is focused on one individual player. 

#4 - @18:33 You admitted to powergaming "i switched jobs because of the dispute earlier", powergaming to help your friend Miku and protect her casino. You acted as a bodyguard for the casino for the whole time you were president, even when no SRU or police were present you kept guarding the store. I will reference the rules broken now:

2.5 Powergaming is not allowed, meaning you can't force people into situations, always try to do something, such as '/me tries to snap his arm' instead of '/me snaps his arm'. 
Also do not abuse something that gives you an advantage, such as changing jobs to buy something for yourself or switching jobs with the sole purpose of joining a raid.

6.3 As a President, you are a very important person and therefore your life is of high priority, so stay out of dangerous situations (i.e, inspecting a crime scene or going outside without security).

You changed jobs for the sole purpose of protecting the casino and your friend.

#5 - Lying in courthouse,

"Now, previous to this happening, we had a different president. Magnus took VP, set the tax to 40 without asking the president, and told his friend SiRNÆRC to kill the president so he could take pres."

This is COMPLETELY false as logs can easily prove, I didn't kill the president then take his job. The VP disconnected (I believe) and the job opened up. You're lying in courthouse to slander my name.

I've compiled five rule breakages which certainly justifies some for of punishment. I would let it slide if it was one of the five however this extensive rule breakage behavior won't work on Fearless RP, my home, my darling and my family. Give the man something to think about before he goes and breaks more rules...

Also additionally he was failRPing the whole time as SRU Sergeant. As you can see in the video, he clearly is doing some sort of "Turtle RP" as you can see with the shield on his back. This is obviously on purpose as his name is... You know. 

I allow Magnus and Joshua to post their experience of the rule breakage of I didn't do it well enough as they're involved in this as well.

Evidence
https://youtu.be/cirsAXG4j84

https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=93315
#2
The accused use is not only breaking all the rules SirNarc pointed out, he also breaks Rule 6.12 As an SRU, do not perform any regular police duties. Your job is to respond to emergency calls where the police need backup, as well as protecting the Nexus and therefore the President's life.

The accused decided to protect a civilian (Miku) instead of protecting the president. This brings me to the conclusion that the user has been powergaming and breaking rule 6.12. A rule is a rule.

I would also like to point out that I've seen the accused user break other rules such as abusing Move body tools, and I general being a very bad influence for the whole community

As you can see from the pictures below, he's  making the body glitch by using the move bodytools in a abusive way. This is ruining my and other's experience.

Pictures:
https://pasteboard.co/IoRiiRf.jpg

https://pasteboard.co/IoRivRm.jpg
Maeg
#3
User has been warned for this post. Reason: Offensive post
Hey there, thanks for your PR. Unfortunately, since this footage has already been heavily reviewed by admins I don't really think you have a case here. You'll have to get your own footage from the incident, as I've removed the video from YouTube to keep my uploads list clean.
Thank you for your time! If you have any questions or require further explaination please message me on the forums, or for a quicker response add me on steam here:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/turtlesnubs/
#4
(07-20-2019, 03:07 PM)turtlesnubs Wrote: Hey there, thanks for your PR. Unfortunately, since this footage has already been heavily reviewed by admins I don't really think you have a case here. You'll have to get your own footage from the incident, as I've removed the video from YouTube to keep my uploads list clean.

Hey there, thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I knew you would delete the footage so I saved it and will be reuploading it. I'm glad your uploads list is clean now anyways!
#5
Alright, no problem. Not quite sure what's unfortunate about that, but sure.
Thank you for your time! If you have any questions or require further explaination please message me on the forums, or for a quicker response add me on steam here:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/turtlesnubs/
#6
Hi sirnarc, how did I just know this wasn't going to be the end of this situation...

1) Being a realist, I and all other members of the staff team realise discord is a very popular way of communicating. Unless they specifically used discord to give themselves an IG advantage in some way then I will take it further. However they're just talking, which is fine.

2) It's fair enough that you feel like he deserves a warning, I didn't think you were going to have sleepless nights over it however since it is a valid point, I will talk to him privately.

3) "Player reports should only include one situation, unless the report is focused on one individual player." This will also be mentioned in the talk I will have with them, however this forum rule is probably for our benefit, so people like me don't have to look through 30 minutes of footage...

4) I will be giving turtle the benefit of the doubt as I did the same to you, I will happily punish both of you if that is what you would prefer. You shouldn't go out with security as it is a high risk, however usually I warn them in game and move them back. I do think you mention an important point however with the president, you can't go to president just to protect your friends casino. I will take this into account.

5) I wont take action, as I personally didn't take action upon it, knowing that the story wasn't probably as clear cut as turtle suggested.

6) Point noted about breaking rule 6.12

After review, I do think sirnarc makes a valid few point, little rule breakages mount to something a bit bigger. I will wait for Turtle to respond.
#7
(07-21-2019, 09:14 AM)kippsee Wrote: Hi sirnarc, how did I just know this wasn't going to be the end of this situation...
You sound so passive aggressive lol

1) Being a realist, I and all other members of the staff team realise discord is a very popular way of communicating. Unless they specifically used discord to give themselves an IG advantage in some way then I will take it further. However they're just talking, which is fine.

They used it to communicate in jail which is prohibited by the game mode, they communicated that she was unarrested and he turned around which shows he used discord for IC advantage as he didn't have to walk all that way. 

2) It's fair enough that you feel like he deserves a warning, I didn't think you were going to have sleepless nights over it however since it is a valid point, I will talk to him privately.

I want a 10% warning please, three+ times is way too much for the average insecure gamer. 

3) "Player reports should only include one situation, unless the report is focused on one individual player." This will also be mentioned in the talk I will have with them, however this forum rule is probably for our benefit, so people like me don't have to look through 30 minutes of footage...

Yeah I feel bad for you

4) I will be giving turtle the benefit of the doubt as I did the same to you, I will happily punish both of you if that is what you would prefer. You shouldn't go out with security as it is a high risk, however usually I warn them in game and move them back. I do think you mention an important point however with the president, you can't go to president just to protect your friends casino. I will take this into account.

I've been confused about this one since the PR against me. I never went outside as president? I was in a admin sit for like the whole the damn video and stuck on a roof.

5) I wont take action, as I personally didn't take action upon it, knowing that the story wasn't probably as clear cut as turtle suggested.

6) Point noted about breaking rule 6.12

After review, I do think sirnarc makes a valid few point, little rule breakages mount to something a bit bigger. I will wait for Turtle to respond.

Yes sir


#8
(07-21-2019, 01:13 PM)S!RNARC Wrote:
(07-21-2019, 09:14 AM)kippsee Wrote: Hi sirnarc, how did I just know this wasn't going to be the end of this situation...
You sound so passive aggressive lol

1) Being a realist, I and all other members of the staff team realise discord is a very popular way of communicating. Unless they specifically used discord to give themselves an IG advantage in some way then I will take it further. However they're just talking, which is fine.

They used it to communicate in jail which is prohibited by the game mode, they communicated that she was unarrested and he turned around which shows he used discord for IC advantage as he didn't have to walk all that way. 

2) It's fair enough that you feel like he deserves a warning, I didn't think you were going to have sleepless nights over it however since it is a valid point, I will talk to him privately.

I want a 10% warning please, three+ times is way too much for the average insecure gamer. 

3) "Player reports should only include one situation, unless the report is focused on one individual player." This will also be mentioned in the talk I will have with them, however this forum rule is probably for our benefit, so people like me don't have to look through 30 minutes of footage...

Yeah I feel bad for you

4) I will be giving turtle the benefit of the doubt as I did the same to you, I will happily punish both of you if that is what you would prefer. You shouldn't go out with security as it is a high risk, however usually I warn them in game and move them back. I do think you mention an important point however with the president, you can't go to president just to protect your friends casino. I will take this into account.

I've been confused about this one since the PR against me. I never went outside as president? I was in a admin sit for like the whole the damn video and stuck on a roof.

5) I wont take action, as I personally didn't take action upon it, knowing that the story wasn't probably as clear cut as turtle suggested.

6) Point noted about breaking rule 6.12

After review, I do think sirnarc makes a valid few point, little rule breakages mount to something a bit bigger. I will wait for Turtle to respond.

Yes sir



I didn't ask for running commentary on my notes but thanks anyway, really helps!  I will conclude this now to get it out of the way.

Approved.

I will talk to turtlesnubs outlining what he has done wrong, and will give him a forum warning.


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