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03-03-2019, 08:56 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-01-2022, 01:07 AM by Fearless Community.
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As an experienced Role-player in the Casino field I want to add a somewhat lengthy input here about the various points to think about.
Point 1 - Server state:
The server is an economy, and a fully working system just like real life. The average person could make maybe £80 from a full shift at work in real life and then could lose £80 in a matter of just 2 hours at a casino. Obviously we know casinos make a filthy amount of money in real life, but to run one you would need to have already made millions and then invest it. Now then, in FearlessRP people also make money at a typical rate, similar to my example of a real life shift. Whether this be via contraband, president, or any other method. An in-game casino again, is able to potentially win that money that might have taken 8 hours, in a matter of minutes. The main difference, however, is that to run a casino, though you do need money (just like in real life) you are able to get this by buying money packs if you so wish which is not hard to do, and this means that a lot of players are interested because it is a quick get rich scheme to them. As a result, casinos will have become a primary point of focus both for playing and for hosting. At one point there was Lucky 7, Yakuza, Holland Casino, Plaza Casino and others that were unnamed all running regularly so the server did become essentially a casino RP server. People will no longer want to make money in the old way, because as I said, casinos can make money 10x faster. Is this a problem? You decide. Certainly could be.
Point 2 - Under 18s:
So this has been discussed a lot, but yes, the servers player population is largely under 18s. One is able to buy in-game money for real money if they so wish and then could just use that to gamble with. Though this is their decision, it is indeed a possibility. It is worth noting players cannot cash out money directly, but some argue that just being able to play is influencing them young and getting them addicted to casino games which in turn might affect their real life tendencies when they reach 18. Now let's not forget, that there are some players (under 18 and all) who play for fun and do not get addicted and would not be influenced in the slightest in real life. They do exist. But that is not everyone, I can admit.
From my experience of recent running my casino I have seen one player in particular, Ausverkauft, use real money for packs and gamble with the in-game money. He also tried to run a casino with this, but mostly lost it playing at various casinos. This is the prime example of what we do not want to see, especially as he is a young teenager and it ultimately lead to him leaving the server.
From my point of view the idea of a casino for me started many, many years ago, in fact I found a post from 2012 where I did a poker and bar RP, as seen here https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=20732 . This was harmless. I might do a little bit of poker, or maybe create fun fair style games where you pay for goes, and can win prizes. I then eventually tried doing Blackjack now and then, which again no one had issues with and seemed all good. Over the years it seems to have evolved more and more, from a simple session into a building, into a fully established and branded casino. And now with this, the problems and controversy has arisen. So this raises the question of, where is the line drawn? Is it a problem? Who's responsibility is it?
Point 3 - Legitimacy & Bankruptcy:
Now I have seen some comments about having a max bet, only using /dice and things of this nature. Now as a pure casino enthusiast I personally would never scam a player whether it be using real cards of blackjack or a motor on a roulette table. Now I know that others won't be so pure and will be tempted, but for me it was never solely about making money, but rather providing players with a damn good experience and a bit of variety from everything else. I have already done what I can to gain peoples trust, by explaining my intentions and even streaming the cards I deal, and also proving the motor cannot be used to stop the ball as it is too sensitive and obvious if you try (designed on purpose like this). Not to also mention that casino games are ALREADY designed to make money, so why does anyone need to scam players more? It is not necessary and untrustworthy.
With this point made, some players are concerned about big bets and casinos scamming them and making them lose all their money. Now even without scamming, players can lose all their money. It is possible. It is a casino after all. This can in turn lead to players leaving the server all together which is bad for the player base which already suffers. I cannot deny this. From my casino alone I can name at least 3 people who basically left and 2 people who almost did, as a result of losing a lot or all of their cash.
Remember we just provide the service and let the players decide how to use it. It is their responsibility as it would be in real life. Though this statement could bounce back to point 2, are they old enough to take that responsibility? But then again it isn't real money so do they need to be? But then that bounces back to point 2 where they can use real money. So you see the loophole of problems here. What are the best measures to take?
Point 4 - Roleplay and Player Interest:
My final point, thank you for reading so far.
There are players who purely love the casinos. If they were to be banned or reduced severely then these players might end up losing interest and leaving. On the flip side, some players who lose all their money and leave the server as a result (as per point 3) would NOT do this and would in turn stay on the server, gaining players.
Casinos serve as a form of Passive RP which looks good when they are properly built and involve professionalism. This would be something big to sacrifice if they were to be banned and players would have to resort to other means of RP. People have mentioned casinos being repetitive and too frequently placed. Well, a lot of fun and successful Role-plays are repeated, for obvious reasons. But I can understand that those who are not keen on them would get frustrated by this. I think this problem goes back to Point 1, where there is too much of it because of Point 1. There are pros and cons to banning casinos, but which one outweighs the other?
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Since this recent out break of controversy, I personally feel a sense of guilt and responsibility because I am a casino owner in this server. My intentions have never been bad and have never been to cause problems of any sort. Right from 2012 it was always to have fun and provide something new and genuine. But now that there is question of morality and legality etc, it is making me feel like the culprit. I absolutely love running a casino, but if it is going to be frowned upon by 50% of the community, I don't think I can do it. Should there be some way that they can continue to run without this then great, but otherwise the future of casinos certainly looks cloudy at the moment.
Thank you,
NoidZ
Point 1 - Server state:
The server is an economy, and a fully working system just like real life. The average person could make maybe £80 from a full shift at work in real life and then could lose £80 in a matter of just 2 hours at a casino. Obviously we know casinos make a filthy amount of money in real life, but to run one you would need to have already made millions and then invest it. Now then, in FearlessRP people also make money at a typical rate, similar to my example of a real life shift. Whether this be via contraband, president, or any other method. An in-game casino again, is able to potentially win that money that might have taken 8 hours, in a matter of minutes. The main difference, however, is that to run a casino, though you do need money (just like in real life) you are able to get this by buying money packs if you so wish which is not hard to do, and this means that a lot of players are interested because it is a quick get rich scheme to them. As a result, casinos will have become a primary point of focus both for playing and for hosting. At one point there was Lucky 7, Yakuza, Holland Casino, Plaza Casino and others that were unnamed all running regularly so the server did become essentially a casino RP server. People will no longer want to make money in the old way, because as I said, casinos can make money 10x faster. Is this a problem? You decide. Certainly could be.
Point 2 - Under 18s:
So this has been discussed a lot, but yes, the servers player population is largely under 18s. One is able to buy in-game money for real money if they so wish and then could just use that to gamble with. Though this is their decision, it is indeed a possibility. It is worth noting players cannot cash out money directly, but some argue that just being able to play is influencing them young and getting them addicted to casino games which in turn might affect their real life tendencies when they reach 18. Now let's not forget, that there are some players (under 18 and all) who play for fun and do not get addicted and would not be influenced in the slightest in real life. They do exist. But that is not everyone, I can admit.
From my experience of recent running my casino I have seen one player in particular, Ausverkauft, use real money for packs and gamble with the in-game money. He also tried to run a casino with this, but mostly lost it playing at various casinos. This is the prime example of what we do not want to see, especially as he is a young teenager and it ultimately lead to him leaving the server.
From my point of view the idea of a casino for me started many, many years ago, in fact I found a post from 2012 where I did a poker and bar RP, as seen here https://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=20732 . This was harmless. I might do a little bit of poker, or maybe create fun fair style games where you pay for goes, and can win prizes. I then eventually tried doing Blackjack now and then, which again no one had issues with and seemed all good. Over the years it seems to have evolved more and more, from a simple session into a building, into a fully established and branded casino. And now with this, the problems and controversy has arisen. So this raises the question of, where is the line drawn? Is it a problem? Who's responsibility is it?
Point 3 - Legitimacy & Bankruptcy:
Now I have seen some comments about having a max bet, only using /dice and things of this nature. Now as a pure casino enthusiast I personally would never scam a player whether it be using real cards of blackjack or a motor on a roulette table. Now I know that others won't be so pure and will be tempted, but for me it was never solely about making money, but rather providing players with a damn good experience and a bit of variety from everything else. I have already done what I can to gain peoples trust, by explaining my intentions and even streaming the cards I deal, and also proving the motor cannot be used to stop the ball as it is too sensitive and obvious if you try (designed on purpose like this). Not to also mention that casino games are ALREADY designed to make money, so why does anyone need to scam players more? It is not necessary and untrustworthy.
With this point made, some players are concerned about big bets and casinos scamming them and making them lose all their money. Now even without scamming, players can lose all their money. It is possible. It is a casino after all. This can in turn lead to players leaving the server all together which is bad for the player base which already suffers. I cannot deny this. From my casino alone I can name at least 3 people who basically left and 2 people who almost did, as a result of losing a lot or all of their cash.
Remember we just provide the service and let the players decide how to use it. It is their responsibility as it would be in real life. Though this statement could bounce back to point 2, are they old enough to take that responsibility? But then again it isn't real money so do they need to be? But then that bounces back to point 2 where they can use real money. So you see the loophole of problems here. What are the best measures to take?
Point 4 - Roleplay and Player Interest:
My final point, thank you for reading so far.
There are players who purely love the casinos. If they were to be banned or reduced severely then these players might end up losing interest and leaving. On the flip side, some players who lose all their money and leave the server as a result (as per point 3) would NOT do this and would in turn stay on the server, gaining players.
Casinos serve as a form of Passive RP which looks good when they are properly built and involve professionalism. This would be something big to sacrifice if they were to be banned and players would have to resort to other means of RP. People have mentioned casinos being repetitive and too frequently placed. Well, a lot of fun and successful Role-plays are repeated, for obvious reasons. But I can understand that those who are not keen on them would get frustrated by this. I think this problem goes back to Point 1, where there is too much of it because of Point 1. There are pros and cons to banning casinos, but which one outweighs the other?
----
Since this recent out break of controversy, I personally feel a sense of guilt and responsibility because I am a casino owner in this server. My intentions have never been bad and have never been to cause problems of any sort. Right from 2012 it was always to have fun and provide something new and genuine. But now that there is question of morality and legality etc, it is making me feel like the culprit. I absolutely love running a casino, but if it is going to be frowned upon by 50% of the community, I don't think I can do it. Should there be some way that they can continue to run without this then great, but otherwise the future of casinos certainly looks cloudy at the moment.
Thank you,
NoidZ