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02-21-2019, 07:08 PM
(This post was last modified: 09-01-2022, 01:07 AM by Fearless Community.
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I like the European Union as it was back in the 1950s-1990s. I'm meh on the European Union of the 1990s. I detest the European Union from 1999 onwards.
The problem with the European Union today is the fact that it is turning into more of a "United States of Europe" than a "European Union". I don't like how the EU's bodies are ran, or how MEPs who have nothing to do with some countries can decide on the laws and legislation of those countries. The initial idea of the EU is good, but it's being bent into something silly and this isn't what the UK or it's citizens agreed to in 1973 and 1975, respectively.
It's nice to see many others who agree with Brexit, and not to mention those who disagree with Brexit, mostly for realistic reasons, I understand the economy will be taking a hit, as well as many jobs, but for more independence and freedoms that an ever overreaching and overcontroling EU, I'm up for it! I can understand both sides of the debate, and while I may not agree with the anti-Brexit side, I can understand most of their points: Understanding both sides is critical as the UK moves closer to 29 March 2019.
Sadly, I couldn't of voted on the Brexit issue due to not being of the voting age in the UK (18), but if I could of, I would of voted Leave, as that's how I feel about the EU.
Now let's look at what some people have had to say in this thread:
"united ireland?"
Yes pls
"It's a very bad idea."
Understandable, not everyone will agree on this.
"Cant wait for this to happen, cant wait to see all the students get angry because they didn't get their way."
I can't wait either. I can't wait to see many students complain about this issue either, adding to the political field in the UK and being passionate about their stance on Brexit, although, it's a vocal minority that taint the image of anti-Brexit students I think is getting to you; most have reasonable points and concerns.
"The brits show the way! Wish Swexit would happen"
I find it unlikely with Sweden's current government, but political shifts do seem to be happening. Maybe the next step could be either the EU returning to how it was pre-1999, or dissolving, thnx.
"anyone who voted leave is a highly uneducated individual, you have contributed to the removal of thousands of jobs, even hundreds of thousands IF brexit actually happens - you have contributed to making the UK a laughing stock in front of the entire world, you have contributed to the worst event since WW2 that has happened to this country."
Great start to your argument, I can already smell a broken argument if your first point is to insult 52% of those who voted for Brexit, classy. New jobs opportunities and companies will spring to fill the void, maybe not immediately, but in the coming months and years, things will settle down. So the UK is a laughing stock for wanting independence and sovereignty back? No, not at all, it's a sign of the determination of the people to choose their own future as a nation. This is far from the worst event since WW2, we all both know that. Three day week (1970s), Cold Winter (1978), 7/7 Attacks (2005), Great Recession (2008-2012ish), to name a few events of worse magnitude so far.
"brexit is a complete disaster and many of the people who voted to leave think that they don't have any control in the EU, whereas in fact they do, there are no other reasons for voting for brexit, unless of course the person is genuinely uneducated with no qualifications and blaming all the EUROPEAN immigrants because 'no jobs are available' this is a load of bollocks as there are many jobs available for everyone to have, people on benefits are just too fucking lazy to get a job and scapegoat the european immigrants who work hard to get what they want."
We clearly don't have enough control in the EU when other countries are dictating our laws and legislation, I don't want us dictating other countries stuff, and I don't want my country's stuff to be dictated from another. Again, back to personally insulting the other side, instead of defending your own, classy once more. Out of curiosity, do you have any idea what you are talking about, or are you spewing out nonsense at this point? Your last point is just silly.
"and in the end the immigrants are paying for your lazy ass to sit on benefits all day, so if you are on benefits and voted brexit you are a disgrace to the fucking country."
Other way around, actually, thanks. Everyone has a right to vote, regardless of lifestyle, career, etc, it seems to me like you are promoting discrimination off of someone's role in society, which is quite immature, everyone over 18 in the UK (minus prisoners) has the right to exercise their voting powers, end of.
"the only real reasons why people voted for brexit is:
1) you don't like the immigrants"
Utter nonsense, I like immigrants, fuck it, the UK is a country built off immigrants: Normans, Vikings, Germans, French, Dutch, Irish, etc. I don't like immigrants that come here to use and abuse our very generous services: NHS, benefits, etc.
"2) you don't like that the EU 'takes' your money - it contributes a percentage of your money to improve Europe in general(as well as your own country, take a look at Liverpool) thus you can enjoy yourself while on holiday or you can emigrate to a different EU country, the EU gives you that freedom."
I don't mind, but again, I would like our country to deal with and fund ourselves, and other countries to deal with and fund themselves.
"3) you don't like the EU politicians - this is probably because you were told they were bad by the sun or some other tabloid 'news' source - to solve this issue get up and vote in the next MEP election instead of complaining about EU politicians why don't you vote for the ones you like."
I don't mind EU politicians either, I don't read the Sun or tabloids as they aren't news to me and more controversial gossip. I read BBC News, Guardian, The Times, actual news sources, and still dislike some EU politicians based off of their character, ideas, past, and stance. I don't automatically dislike an EU politician, I only dislike them when they do something stupid. Nah, there won't be another MEP election anyways, ta-taa!
The problem with the European Union today is the fact that it is turning into more of a "United States of Europe" than a "European Union". I don't like how the EU's bodies are ran, or how MEPs who have nothing to do with some countries can decide on the laws and legislation of those countries. The initial idea of the EU is good, but it's being bent into something silly and this isn't what the UK or it's citizens agreed to in 1973 and 1975, respectively.
It's nice to see many others who agree with Brexit, and not to mention those who disagree with Brexit, mostly for realistic reasons, I understand the economy will be taking a hit, as well as many jobs, but for more independence and freedoms that an ever overreaching and overcontroling EU, I'm up for it! I can understand both sides of the debate, and while I may not agree with the anti-Brexit side, I can understand most of their points: Understanding both sides is critical as the UK moves closer to 29 March 2019.
Sadly, I couldn't of voted on the Brexit issue due to not being of the voting age in the UK (18), but if I could of, I would of voted Leave, as that's how I feel about the EU.
Now let's look at what some people have had to say in this thread:
"united ireland?"
Yes pls
"It's a very bad idea."
Understandable, not everyone will agree on this.
"Cant wait for this to happen, cant wait to see all the students get angry because they didn't get their way."
I can't wait either. I can't wait to see many students complain about this issue either, adding to the political field in the UK and being passionate about their stance on Brexit, although, it's a vocal minority that taint the image of anti-Brexit students I think is getting to you; most have reasonable points and concerns.
"The brits show the way! Wish Swexit would happen"
I find it unlikely with Sweden's current government, but political shifts do seem to be happening. Maybe the next step could be either the EU returning to how it was pre-1999, or dissolving, thnx.
"anyone who voted leave is a highly uneducated individual, you have contributed to the removal of thousands of jobs, even hundreds of thousands IF brexit actually happens - you have contributed to making the UK a laughing stock in front of the entire world, you have contributed to the worst event since WW2 that has happened to this country."
Great start to your argument, I can already smell a broken argument if your first point is to insult 52% of those who voted for Brexit, classy. New jobs opportunities and companies will spring to fill the void, maybe not immediately, but in the coming months and years, things will settle down. So the UK is a laughing stock for wanting independence and sovereignty back? No, not at all, it's a sign of the determination of the people to choose their own future as a nation. This is far from the worst event since WW2, we all both know that. Three day week (1970s), Cold Winter (1978), 7/7 Attacks (2005), Great Recession (2008-2012ish), to name a few events of worse magnitude so far.
"brexit is a complete disaster and many of the people who voted to leave think that they don't have any control in the EU, whereas in fact they do, there are no other reasons for voting for brexit, unless of course the person is genuinely uneducated with no qualifications and blaming all the EUROPEAN immigrants because 'no jobs are available' this is a load of bollocks as there are many jobs available for everyone to have, people on benefits are just too fucking lazy to get a job and scapegoat the european immigrants who work hard to get what they want."
We clearly don't have enough control in the EU when other countries are dictating our laws and legislation, I don't want us dictating other countries stuff, and I don't want my country's stuff to be dictated from another. Again, back to personally insulting the other side, instead of defending your own, classy once more. Out of curiosity, do you have any idea what you are talking about, or are you spewing out nonsense at this point? Your last point is just silly.
"and in the end the immigrants are paying for your lazy ass to sit on benefits all day, so if you are on benefits and voted brexit you are a disgrace to the fucking country."
Other way around, actually, thanks. Everyone has a right to vote, regardless of lifestyle, career, etc, it seems to me like you are promoting discrimination off of someone's role in society, which is quite immature, everyone over 18 in the UK (minus prisoners) has the right to exercise their voting powers, end of.
"the only real reasons why people voted for brexit is:
1) you don't like the immigrants"
Utter nonsense, I like immigrants, fuck it, the UK is a country built off immigrants: Normans, Vikings, Germans, French, Dutch, Irish, etc. I don't like immigrants that come here to use and abuse our very generous services: NHS, benefits, etc.
"2) you don't like that the EU 'takes' your money - it contributes a percentage of your money to improve Europe in general(as well as your own country, take a look at Liverpool) thus you can enjoy yourself while on holiday or you can emigrate to a different EU country, the EU gives you that freedom."
I don't mind, but again, I would like our country to deal with and fund ourselves, and other countries to deal with and fund themselves.
"3) you don't like the EU politicians - this is probably because you were told they were bad by the sun or some other tabloid 'news' source - to solve this issue get up and vote in the next MEP election instead of complaining about EU politicians why don't you vote for the ones you like."
I don't mind EU politicians either, I don't read the Sun or tabloids as they aren't news to me and more controversial gossip. I read BBC News, Guardian, The Times, actual news sources, and still dislike some EU politicians based off of their character, ideas, past, and stance. I don't automatically dislike an EU politician, I only dislike them when they do something stupid. Nah, there won't be another MEP election anyways, ta-taa!
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