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[Pollux]

You guys have to remember FPS is a huge decision when choosing a map.

We’ve seen it before with V4B1, the FPS is awful when a full sever with props, V2D ISNT. Standard. Player interaction is massive too and V2D will be better than Pines.

I want FPS for when I play so that’s where my vote stands as well as interacting with everyone.

The FPS minor increase from switching to V2D will not be not be worth it, the core issue does not lie with the map. It looks like steps to increase performance are being taken so just give it time.

they (developers) can only do so much though, a huge part of the performance undeniably lies with the map and as such any better FPS map should be regarded as a major factor in the variable of deciding which map. Our Estleback headquarters of 800 props created massive playerside fps decrease for some players on v4b1, whilst on v2d - with the same prop amount - did not create as big of a fps decrease. It isn't lag, it's FPS decrease, and how the map is constructed a long with other factors (props, cars, entities) decides how the majority of players that enjoys an average computer actually can play decently.

V2d is smaller and offers less prop-extensions, which to some may seem boring .. but is far more preferable and by default more immersive for the players in general. FPS is a major contributor to how you immerse yourself in the roleplay, and the quality of the surroundings, albeit a less prettier, isn't that much of a relevance.. it's how it affects the players individually and then how it affects the whole gameplay in the grand spectrum; you unfortunately have to force players together to create a vivid experience, right now it's just too individualistic and that reflects onto the community as well. Trust me, I've been here a while.

It's not like these maps are poorly optimised, they're usually optimised as well as they can. They have to be for larger maps like these. The gamemode has a bigger impact on FPS than any of these maps will. I do agree that V2D will give us more frames, it's a smaller map with way lower quality textures and polygons. Honestly though sometimes you have to ask if it's actually even worth it.

I really think that people are underestimating how big of an impact the map really has compared to the gamemode itself. This entire map vote is basically a choice between aesthetics and performance. It's not even like pines city does bad performance wise for what it has either. The gamemode has the biggest impact on performance compared to any other factor as long as the map is optimised well, which pines is. 

The same issue lies with the HL2RP community. They have to decide between two frameworks to decide how their performance is going to be. This is due to one being built for performance from the ground up and another being quite bloated but offers more features. The map is hardly a factor there because it isn't the core issue for performance, I don't think FL has realised this yet though. When looking at large maps you should really be looking at the features it will offer for the community, which is why I voted for Pines. I've also been here for a while.

Stop using the map as an excuse for poor FPS, it really isn't the core reason. There are honestly so so many other factors

Take this from a contributors point of view.

The main factor of FPS problems is obviously starting with the Game modes optimisation, but second is the map.
v2d was a place in which people with terrible and great PC's could both play at a high fps constantly - enabling them both to have the most fun while playing CityRP. The map may not be the core reason, but it sure is an absolutely massive factor. The map in which the most people will have fun on is v2d simply because performance issues are non existent as not only because the map isn't a laggy map, but because it disables the pointless weather mod we use called 'Stormfox' which does nothing good at all, it simply just decreases everyones FPS.

As well as all of this, Evocity maps are FL's "lore" - We should always stick to Evocity maps, Pines is going to be uncomfortable, always.

At this point all we can say is hopefully whatever the new map FL will change to is going to be one that we can all enjoy ourselves on and continue to play FL the way it's supposed to be played.

The problem with evocity maps is that they're large and spaced out by design, which is the opposite of what we want. Evocity 3 is in development as the last source evocity map and it's also spaced out by design (as stated on the evocity website). I mean I think this entire debate is about performance at any cost. At some point you have to question how far do you really want to go. Yes V2D gives better frames but at a cost, the map honestly looks so outdated and terrible. I really wish there was some sort of "in between" option, a medium sized map which may not look the best but gives decent performance.

We're basically juggling between two extremes here without looking at anything that might satisfy the middle, I think neither map should be picked and we should instead search for this middleground.