Unban Request - KhorneFlakes #R

[KhorneFlakes]

Your name: KhorneFlakes #R

Your ban ID: 32489

Banned by: Adman

Reason: Mass RDM, 20+ kills, randomly raiding the President, inciting aggressive RP.

Involved: xxxxxpetey #R, Afflack #R, Skippy!, Colonel Sanders

Why we should unban you: I've decided to make this unban request to try and at least clarify the reasoning behind my ban. So I'll start from left to right. I'd like you to please hear me out before making any judgments. Thank you.

Mass RDM/20+ kills.
I had explained before I was banned, to the best of my ability of course with the OOC timer, that we were on the server for about 4 hours or longer. Both the Corleones and Secret Service had raided both our UM and Orange Apartments bases consistently in that 4-5 hour time frame. I feel as if I am being attacked with this ban, just for defending against NLR breaking police officers, SRU, and Corleones. (The Corleones weren't as bad as the Police Officers and SRU, but it was still very annoying.) I find it odd that I am put to blame because I defended our base against NLR breakers. I actually recall even having the leader of the Corleones asking why we had so much ammo during the raid, and how we were fighting them off so efficiently. Both BlackDog and Adman also made a comment about how we shouldn't have just "mowed them down" over and over again, and there's a time it had to stop. The raids just made up most of the kills, though. I will admit that I got about 6-7 of them when we were in the Nexus guarding the president. We were raided when in power, and had fought off a good amount of people. Either way, I can definitely see why you would think 20+ kills is a little bit overkill, no pun intended, and I respect your decision.

Randomly raiding the President
I can also understand why this played a part in my ban. I attempted to get my self out of this one, but after talking in OOC with Adman, I understood his point. When we had attacked the president, it was apparently for a reason that the previous president had done, and not him. We attacked him with the thought in our heads that it was the same president who kept sending his SRU to our base over and over again, so we decided to strike back, uninformed of the fact that a new president had actually been put in power.

We actually still were getting raided by SRU and Police officers when we migrated to UM to create a new base, (same time frame that the president we raided was in office) but I guess this president wasn't aware of what his Law Enforcement was doing, so I apologize for that. All I can really say on both of our parts is we should have paid more attention to who was in power at what times, and the president should keep better track of his SRU and Police forces.

Inciting aggressive RP.
This one is understandable I suppose, but I still have my side of the story. The "Relic" RP that we were doing was a bit aggressive, sure, but only verbally. We didn't kill people unless they came up to our lair and didn't heed our orders to leave, this I assure you. There was a few times that someone would come up, say he was working with us, and when we say we only have a select few members in the Relic Order, and he isn't one of them, he/she would refuse to leave, and that's when we would be inclined to use lethal force. Other than that, all of our aggressiveness was completely verbal, and in Adman's words, "Facist." At the time I didn't think that saying "All hail the Relic" to people was a raidable offence, so again, I apologize if that is the case.

Summary
I donated two days ago to the server for the second time. I honestly think it would be odd of me to spend ten dollars of my own money, just to turn around and try to deliberately minge and get banned not even two-three days into the three month time period of having these benefits. That would be a colossal waste of time and money.

All in all, I do believe I should have a ban, but I am mainly concerned with the length. Having donated two days ago, and I find it odd that my ban is literally near the exact day that my Donator privileges end. I would highly appreciate it if I wasn't forced to throw ten dollars down the drain. I don't mind donating to the server of course, because FLRP has given me many hours of entertainment, but I think many of us can agree here that we donated for both our enjoyment of the server, but mainly for the benefits that come along with it. I'd enjoy if I didn't get unbanned right when said privileges expire. So, if a shorten is possible, than thank you very much. If not, I respect your decision, and again apologize for any kind of inconvenience I put players through.

Have a nice day, admins.

- KhorneFlakes

[Narc]

Again, donator status does not make you immune to receiving a suspension.

[KhorneFlakes]

Again, donator status does not make you immune to receiving a suspension.

I never stated or implied that it made me immune, I said in the post that I know I deserved a ban. I was simply making an attempt to give you guys my side of the story, and to see if I could be heard out and potentially receive a time shorten.

Unban Request Rule #6, sentence 3: We make exceptions for permanent bans or bans over 3 months, you could try to convince us about your gathered RP skills and apology, in a later stage of course.

I realize that it says "in a later stage" so again, I apologize for doing this early, but I figured letting you guys know my reasoning as to why I'm doing this as early as possible would be a good idea.

The reason I had brought up the Donator thing in the first place, isn't because I'm looking for sympathy, or to say "Hey, I'm a Donator, so since I payed money why should I get banned?" Trust me, that's the last thing I'm trying to do. I'm using it to see if you can understand my point of view better, if anything. I stated before, why would I go and do something to deliberately get myself banned, TWO days after I paid money to the server. Someone doing that would just be odd, unless they were rich, no?

The ban being for the exact entirety of my Donator privileges is more-so just a coincidence that I'm upset about, I suppose. I do not think I deserve a time shorten because of it. I am simply stating my side of the story, and asking for one.

[DoomDude1]

Strange, since the only real argument you use in your unban request is the fact that you have donated.


And as we all know, that is no argument at all.

[Adman]

It is clear that you have some sense, unfortunately you're about the only member of this #R group that can communicate effectively. However, you must realise that time and time again only problems have been found with you and your group - and I shall refer to the group as I feel this wave of bans is to be taken as a collective one, I do not believe any single member would have committed the same number of offences if they had been acting as individuals.

Anyhow, I received a complaint from a member on the server regarding the behaviour of your group. (I state your group, simply because you seem to be the most vocal. Whether or not you have a substantial leadership role is fairly irrelevant - simply for the purpose of clarity it shall either be 'your group' or '#R') After hearing #R, I remembered clearly the select few players whom this group consists of and most of all the clan thread created by them - http://www.fearlessrp.net/showthread.php?tid=19584 .

Upon entering the server, albeit under a different name, I see you and your group at the top of the Nexus. I had been told that you had randomly raided the President, so checking the logs for that was my primary concern. However it became apparent that after seeing the kill-count of you and your comrades that something had been going on for some time. The logs showed this, with kill after kill of different team members, civilians and government members alike. Whether the kills were due to NLRing forces or not remains to be completely seen, having 25/26 kills (From my memory) in the roughly 3 1/3 hours (As taken from the Steam 'Server Info' at the time of issuing the suspension) is, as you have rightly said, overkill. Because a number of people break NLR doesn't give you or your team the right to mow them down. If you really do care about things, why not gather evidence and post a ban request? Surely if such a problem were posed then that would be the simple thing to do - it happens often enough that other players suffer the same NLRing without resorting to killing and totalling up large kill-counts.

Regardless of the rule-breaking that may have occurred and resulted in some of your kills, the fact remains that from looking at logs and from witnessing the behaviour of members of your group - you seem to enjoy killing and using that as a resolution to your problems. Simple quotes such as, and I am paraphrasing here, 'best aggro rper on the server' or 'when you have a k/d as good as mine you can talk' lead me to believe that the NLRing wasn't a huge problem, merely an enjoyment for you and your team to practice your shooting and to feel powerful.

In regards to the other portion of you and your group's ban - the random raid. This is where roleplay becomes vital, because something as drastic and politically significant as a military raid on the leader of a city or country requires a damn good reason. Instead, it seemed you resorted to finding the bare minimum reason and due to your mistake (As a group collective, I don't mean to single you out here) led to more kills, more deaths and more mayhem. An innocent President lost his position. In his place came a hugely fail government, though admittedly the most failing came from xxxxpetey - as such his ban reason consists more for that. I distinctly remember a security guard coming up - now it is true that he shouldn't really be there without having gained permission or an escort however he managed to get in. Perhaps escort him out or if not arrest him. Instead, whilst I was ghosted directly next to you (This was moments before he didn't kill you, you actually fell off the bridge) it seemed an almost immediate reaction for you to request he be shot immediately. This isn't a direct violation of much, as such there wasn't much mentioned of this in the ban reason but it does contribute to my tag of 'Inciting aggressive RP' and does establish the behaviour of you and your group.

Now what happened next resulted in bans for different members of your group, as your involvement now fades away. xxxxpetey performed possibly the worst Presidential act ever with 'xxx blazin 420 noscopes' comprising government broadcasts, executing someone for holding a note and then banning notes afterwards in an attempt to cover it up. During a raid by members tired of the actions of you and your group, him and the member Afflack decide to abuse the features of chairs so the President can escape, humorously failing however and dying from fall damage.

I won't beat around the bush. You and your group are notorious for rulebreaking when no admin is present, or loop-holing and pushing the boundaries. Killing, mayhem and aggressive RP are not far behind when the #R group comes to play. But here's the problem, we don't want that here. If you and your group have such an obsession or interest in killing virtual avatars of on-line players, please direct yourselves to a video game with the direct intention of killing - CS:GO, PlanetSide 2 or CoD are just some quick examples. It is clear by the effort in your appeal and the way in which you can communicate that I do not feel you are wholly represented by your actions here today - perhaps you are capable of abiding our rules and benefiting from a more passive approach. I don't always love banning, teaching people is always a better alternative in my opinion. But sometimes it doesn't go far enough and that is why I must deny this appeal. People were earnestly pleased to see you and your group banned, is that the way you want to be remembered here? Part of me fears it might - in which case it will be a short time.

Heed this warning, not only to you but to any #R member. We don't tolerate the thoughtless and hideously aggressive approach to the rules that you guys exhibited yesterday. I won't hesitate in permanently suspending any and all members who proceed to break the rules so easily again - it happened to xxxxpetey, it can happen to you.