There is no RP

[Agentmass]

This is why I like you admins though. Any other community would of already chased me down with death threats for disagreeing with them (some already have).

I will have to disagree with you though. It's not that people don't know how to RP, it's just that people like playing the game better as a raid/contrawhore/RP/police chases/ w/e gamemode. People like playing it this way and they understand perfectly well that this isn't RP. It's just that everyone wants to play this way. Actually, I shouldn't say everyone because some actually do want to RP, but 95 percent of the server does a mix of everything. Which includes RP. You can not RP when 95 percent won't. You can't teach them because they already know. They simply don't want to play the game this way.

One more point I want to touch on is that I would not have hated another admin for doing this. First, I don't think most admins do this. I have never seen any admin complain for the way I play before. Also, if someone like Jamie or G.Matt had done this, I would not have insulted them. Jamie is a great admin. He stood up late last night dead tired because there were no other admins on. Now that's being a GREAT admin. Ruxandra usually joins, bans a few people, might play a bit, then leave.

Anyways, I've been playing Gmod for almost 5 years and the only places where I have EVER seen good RP is HL2RP. Where there are almost no guns, vehicles, or much of any items.

[Mr Crates]

I'm actually going to take you up in that discussion...

Yes. RP is feasible to some certain extents, but for the most part the entire gamemode is formed around getting cars and power through contraband and killing players who dare step in your path. The entire RP community in Garry's Mod for the past six years has been nothing, but angsty kids being power hungry and developers finding better and easier ways to rob kids of $15 - $100, for stuff like 'donator' which gives minor perks and increases your probabilities of being the top-dog for a certain period of times.
I've bared witness to quiet a bit of these children as an active member of the SS/Police, and can easily understand where you're coming from.
But the similarities of understandings stop right there.
My time on Fearless within the PD has been a game of cat and mouse while practically begging on my knees in hope that the police force will get needed upgrades and 'buffs' to ensure it's capability to keep the city safe from players which get warlordish. I've experienced friends and members of the Kumonryu Tiger Force, getting captured and being tortured through means of DoS Attacks[Stuts Torture], Rule Bending/Blackmail, and Letter of Intimidation. My understanding of CityRP comes from it's underbelly, and thus it should come without saying that nothing is new to me.
Every RP gamemodes way out of contraforts, mingelords, and false-hopes, starts with a change of thought. Contraband isn't the issue. The environment which it creates is the issue.
Passive jobs will supplement players and help grow actual economies in the servers. Players won't have to worry about hiding from the police to 'roleplay' and will feel more-or-less comfortable with their presence. Farming, Mining, Production Lines? These things bring players together and don't break them apart.
Look at the Fish Market for christ sake! People made $500 on a food item and had no need to meddle with contraband or firearms. They could happily RP as a sushi shop owner and nothing bad would happen to them! That's the beauty of RP!

[Agentmass]

I actually agree with you on every single point. The cops usually do the better RP.

The best part where I almost jumped up in excitement is when you said

"The entire RP community in Garry's Mod for the past six years has been nothing, but angsty kids being power hungry and developers finding better and easier ways to rob kids of $15 - $100, for stuff like 'donator' which gives minor perks and increases your probabilities of being the top-dog for a certain period of times."

I hate donator perks. I completely understand how expensive the servers are. But, there used to be a time where you could join a server, and not get begged to death for donations. However, fearless does a good job at only giving small amounts of perks. Fearless is actually the one community that gives the least amount of perks for being a donator. So I can appreciate that.

I agree with almost everything you said and don't have much to argue with. Because of everything you said, I don't play the server as a RP server.

My description of the server and almost everyone's description of the server is:

"A place to build up virtual wealth and gain power. Enjoy police fights, raids, own a shop, rent a house, go fishing, and many other activities."

A great example is Crazybob's cops and robbers for GTA:SA. They hit the perfect formula, but the community is horrible.

[ousmN]

Well i really like your long thread but there is Rules you need to read it, If you don't care about the rules then don't blame her why she banned you for this reason, If you really read the Rules you will never get banned from any admins.

[Agentmass]

That must be the least thought out post I have ever seen. This is what you just said:

"Well there are rules and you have to follow them."

I'm not even going to begin to talk to you because of how stupid you put me out to be. I'm smart enough to realize why she banned me, It's not like I all the sudden went

"Well I raided this one guy and then I got banned for random raiding, I wonder why I got banned."

I also want to guarantee something. This thread will end in "If you don't like it, leave.". If this is mentioned I will assume that you have given up. Instead of saying that, put some effort into your posts and counter my ideas. I have no problem with being wrong. I'm not arrogant enough to think I'm right about everything.

[UTLonghorn12]

Ah, civilized conversation, lacking rage comments, this is what I like to see. Peace and Tranquility. Anyway, I do have to agree with some parts of your 'rant', if you will. For one, yes, some people on the admin team may not live up to the expectations we have for admins, this is true, and some of the team members do need quite a bit of work. Secondly, there is quite a bit of the rp you described, simple raiding for money and profit. This isn't rp at all, and should be avoided in fact, to have a fun and enjoyable time on the server. (Please excuse the lack of effort and possible misspellings here, it's late and I'm tired )

[Agentmass]

Ah, civilized conversation, lacking rage comments, this is what I like to see. Peace and Tranquility. Anyway, I do have to agree with some parts of your 'rant', if you will. For one, yes, some people on the admin team may not live up to the expectations we have for admins, this is true, and some of the team members do need quite a bit of work. Secondly, there is quite a bit of the rp you described, simple raiding for money and profit. This isn't rp at all, and should be avoided in fact, to have a fun and enjoyable time on the server. (Please excuse the lack of effort and possible misspellings here, it's late and I'm tired )

I would love to see what you said, but I never see it. If you mean RPing while raiding, yes I do see that. Most people do this. It's not strong RP, but it's some kind of half-ass RP.

[Bane]

I have To agree with the OP on quite a few points. As longhorn said, FL isn't meant to be this way, but it is. Sometimes though, just sometimes you can have good rp if you have enough willing dedicated players, such as the time when I was HSS. Rolled up in a BMW with a SSagent to the local fancy restaurant and organized a special dinner for the president, he was then guarded by two SS officers as he was quickly escorted from the carpark across from the nexus, apon sitting down he was greeted with a fine meal. This is Great RP, the passive RP moments you should really play for and strive to have. Although they are rare, good rp CAN happen.

[ousmN]

Well i think you don't need (Contrabands) as a reason, You can raid for example if he started to shooting at you randomly, Or if you have a RP reason to raid, You wonder why you got banned i think because you don't give her a RP reason or enough reason, That's why you randomly raiding, Just don't ask why the raid it's needed for a reason, Because In Real Life you can't just raid randomly and attacking some people you don't know for no reason.

[Bane]

Well i think you don't need (Contrabands) as a reason, You can raid for example if he started to shooting at you randomly, Or if you have a RP reason to raid, You wonder why you got banned i think because you don't give her a RP reason or enough reason, That's why you randomly raiding, Just don't ask why the raid it's needed for a reason, Because In Real Life you can't just raid randomly and attacking some people you don't know for no reason.

TBH, I feel like police should handle breaking and entering, not the admins. This would make for much more fun rp, sadly as always minges would ruin it. I feel like we protect from minging more than we actually encourage RP.