Andreas' demotion

[Andreas]

I wonder why you people like this? :-)

Because you weren't a good admin, and you were antagonizing? I can't speak for anyone, I wasn't on the servers for more than a week, only time I remember you, was actually when you gave me 100.000 dollars for SMS'ing you "I LOVE YOU ANDREAS!" first.

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Just let it open to hear what our members have to say. I'm not fan of closing topics to prevent negative sound.

Good on you for doing that

Whats wrong with giving away a bmw and some money if I got them and don't want them my self, but share a few items with some other FL members because I didn't need them my self. Because I actually KNOW HOW TO RP and make money.
And about the casino, i'm not even FAR the first one to make those, if you are old enough you would know semperfi. They earned milions of money on casinos. Thats more like ruining the economy than my casino. Plus I didn't say to players: PLAY NOW OR GET FUCK*** BANNED. - No I made a casino and wanted to have some fun while being on Fearless, the players who actually were man enough to play could come. And people like you who just whine about it could stay away and do some other RP :-) JUST HOW CASINOS WORK IRL.

I joined before every one who actually made a post in this thread (nearly), so I believe you should actually close your mouth and show some respect and actually act like how old you are.

I got admin in early 2011, and I joined fearless in 2009. I was one of the oldest FL admins before I got demoted, isnt that quite cool? :-)

You should respect I managed to put over 2000 hours into fearless of my SPARETIME, without a SINGLE dollar given. Imagine how many money I could have earned IRL by spending that time on a real job, you should respect what I have done. It's actually a part of my fault you are able to sit here and play on a "nearly" minge free server.

And to those people who is here to troll, Alexia, Burger etc.
I actually don't care about your opinions. You got demoted before me Alexia, you even joined FL in 2012 I believe. You should NOT be talking at all about demotions. I managed to attend nearly 1 year and 6 months as a an admin. I only want to say a few words to you guys, if you think this will make me leave, you are totally wrong - I won't leave because of this demotion, I learned my lesson and will try to gain admin again if possible. I'll show what im really worth and show I deserve it again.

And I will be sticking around on the server plus forums likes before, just not with a yellow star and noclip. But as a regular player like YOU Alexia, Dylan and other people.

And biowulf.
Since the main reason you are here is to troll, i'm not the only player who got that feeling, even some admins do it. I wont list any names here. But I posted that comment about you not to troll again and I would demote you because I was pissed of you and your trolling on FL.

And Thanks to soulripper + the old good admin team for actually making me an admin in the old days, we had fun. But I actually got quiete sad after a few of my really good mates left: (s.J, Storm and Sniperwolf) I talked a lot with them and I still do.

Once again.
I WILL STAY ON FL, Thanks for your time:-)

(Sorry for any misspelled words)

[equal]

The End

[Biowulf]

And biowulf.
Since the main reason you are here is to troll, i'm not the only player who got that feeling, even some admins do it. I wont list any names here. But I posted that comment about you not to troll again and I would demote you because I was pissed of you and your trolling on FL.

Grudges, grudges everywhere. I'm not here to troll, I think I made that clear. Man up Andreas, please. You're not making anything better. Instead of posting your excuses you yap about how much money you made in Casinos and how nothing is your fault. You're really proving your attitude even more here.

I'm not here to troll. I've been away for several months. Do you really think it's my intention to disturb everything here?

[Andreas]

And biowulf.
Since the main reason you are here is to troll, i'm not the only player who got that feeling, even some admins do it. I wont list any names here. But I posted that comment about you not to troll again and I would demote you because I was pissed of you and your trolling on FL.

Grudges, grudges everywhere. I'm not here to troll, I think I made that clear. Man up Andreas, please. You're not making anything better. Instead of posting your excuses you yap about how much money you made in Casinos and how nothing is your fault. You're really proving your attitude even more here.

I'm not here to troll. I've been away for several months. Do you really think it's my intention to disturb everything here?

How can it be possible that i'm not the only one who is saying that you are here to troll then, even some admins say it?

Explain that please.

Edit: I actually ment you were here to troll before you left - and maybe you came back now and would be more mature now, Cant say.

[Biowulf]

And biowulf.
Since the main reason you are here is to troll, i'm not the only player who got that feeling, even some admins do it. I wont list any names here. But I posted that comment about you not to troll again and I would demote you because I was pissed of you and your trolling on FL.

Grudges, grudges everywhere. I'm not here to troll, I think I made that clear. Man up Andreas, please. You're not making anything better. Instead of posting your excuses you yap about how much money you made in Casinos and how nothing is your fault. You're really proving your attitude even more here.

I'm not here to troll. I've been away for several months. Do you really think it's my intention to disturb everything here?

How can it be possible that i'm not the only one who is saying that you are here to troll then, even some admins say it?

Explain that please.

I'm ok with that. It's fine if they think it, as long as they don't bother me with it, like you do. They're not the once posting it in an extremely arrogant way in a thread I made.

EDIT: " Edit: I actually ment you were here to troll before you left - and maybe you came back now and would be more mature now, Cant say"

Blatant bullshi­t

[Andreas]

On another hand Bio, I dont see any reason to keep this going

[Dylan]

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Your reasons are beyond lacking. We should respect you? We should thank you? Your service was just soooo invaluable that we all automatically owe you so much?

No.

1st:
As I said, I am not against you or anyone else. All I am doing in this thread is arguing against viewpoints I see as fallacious or wrong (as I am doing with yours right now). One of your examples of your altruistic behaviour is, that you haven't taken a single dime for your work. Congratulations, Andreas. You just said we should thank you for doing a hobby you were free to stop doing any time. Administrating is NOT A JOB we owe you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING if you administrate the servers. I'm not saying showing gratitude towards administrators is wrong, I'm saying administrators expecting gratitude for their "work" are wrong. If you were to be given instant gratitude for administrating, it would have to be a proper job without pay, meaning ANYTIME we needed you, you'd have to be there. But of course that can not be demanded by ANY admin, because ADMINISTRATING IS A HOBBY. As I've said before, if you didn't get the administrator position, someone else just as enthusiastic as you, would probably have gotten it. Though they may not have been demoted.

2nd:
Your argument that you're one of the oldest members around should give you insta-credit is just wrong on so many levels I can't even grasp how you'd type it in. Your worth as a player, roleplayer and even person is, and should not be determined by your time on a server or life itself. It's even quite clear from your post, that you hold yourself in higher regard than many other players, probably simply even due to your longer time here. No wonder a person with that kind of mind, attitude and perhaps even narcissism would get administratorship removed sooner or later. It's simply a wrong way to think.

Again, before any admins get pissed at me, I do not oppose being grateful for your work, to some degree, I am grateful myself. It is, however, wrong for you to assume that this gratuity should come to you naturally.
Also, I'm not against you (Andreas) or anyone else. I consider myself neutral in this discussion, free to move wherever I want. I only chose to go against you in this case, because your argument was just.. Wrong. I take pleasure in arguing and pointing out fallacies, if you didn't notice.

How can it be possible that i'm not the only one who is saying that you are here to troll then, even some admins say it?

What's the point of accusing someone of trolling? If he is not breaking any rules you should simply not be angry at him, but instead how the rules are set up.

[Dr Tomorrow]

That's why I wanted this thread to be closed
Otherwise look what it lead to?
People starting to ravenously arguing with each other, giving their own opinions and morale about this and that
But why is more important, those who were arguing just weren't giving a single fck whether Andreas would like or not hearing that he was good/bad admin

Some people might say "threads are created to argue and bring your points into it/debating"
But none would realize that in threads like this you should show respect, not arguing a crap about certain person

What I'm really sorry for us my bad English because with my current knowledge of it I cannot describe what I really want to point out, in addition the lack of my grammar gets in the way

But I will say it as simple as I can:
Please:
1) stfu about discussing whether he was good or bad admin
2) show some respect, I'm not telling you to start making one same messages "oh Andreas you were good/ oh Andreas I'm sorry" just respect, nothing else
3) if he ever pissed you off, perhaps you should keep it to yourself or at least remember not only his bad ways, but good ways of him as we'll. you are saying as if he never done anything good

That will be all
For now

[Andreas]

It's clearly not allowed to only be here to troll and insult players.

Also
I am one of the oldest players on FL?

And since you nearly just joined (April) You should not be talking about how I got admin, it was a totally other metod used in that time.
It was nearly IMPOSSIBLE to get admin at that time, you were HANDPICKED by sa and owners. PLUS now days there have been a few admin applications up in the news section. Noone ever thought about that back in 2010/11.

So the fact that they actually handpicked me and not any other person must have been because i had something they could use.

[Foxy The Pirate]

Oh well sad to hear. But i guess if the admin team thought it was for the best of the community then so be it.