US Gun Control
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(05-29-2020, 12:52 PM)Arkten Wrote:
(05-29-2020, 08:55 AM)konsta Wrote: There has been 2,487 mass shootings since Sandy Hook. So far in 2020, 140 people have been killed and 583 wounded in 145 mass shootings. These faces are just part of a statistic.
Each image represents a single mass shooting, let that sink in for a minute.
Their death could've been prevented, but gun advocates chose not to.

I doubt that. Banning guns does not mean nobody will die in a violent act.

Sure, banning guns does not mean nobody will die in a violent act, I never said it wouldn't happen. But these mass shootings could've been played out very differently or prevented altogether if they met with deterrence.
(05-29-2020, 08:55 AM)konsta Wrote: Criminals don't buy illegal unregistered guns just to shoot innocent people, they do it for their underground business and to use it on other criminals. All of the perpetrators that are responsible for all of these people's death weren't criminals, but people who were thought as normal or odd that snapped. They never had to pay thousands of dollars for an unregistered gun at a black market just to go on a killing spree before they kill themselves, they could just buy them at a local gun store. Stephen Paddock, who opened fire at a 22,000 crowd from a Las Vegas hotel, was a real-estate investor, a property manager, a retired accountant, a normal guy. Those who knew him thought it was unimaginable that he would kill anyone, until he proved them wrong on the night of 1st October 2017.

I don't quite get the argument here. Do you think they would not have killed people if guns were banned? Do you think they would have not bought one from the black market. Sure they did not buy one, because it was easier for them to legally buy one. Just EASIER not IMPOSSIBLE. It also helps that he does not care at all what happened with them. Now, this does sound like a mental health problem and I agree that he should not gotten a gun in the first place. I do not quite know the rules in the US but in Germany you have to provide a psychological evaluation. Sure you can easily get through that test if you are determined to kill. But then again, if you are determined to kill someone with a gun, laws will not stop you.
I also highly doubt that he just "snapped". This is often the portrayal of mental health issues that suddenly become a problem to the public. Truth is, the problem started way earlier, namely at the cause of the mental health problem. You do not go out and kill someone just because you feel like it. It is more often than not planned. These individuals should have received mental healthcare. Stripping the victims of their protection does not help. Instead I would argue that anti-gun advocates chose to let all the people die you pictured in your post.

Ok dude I don't recall the scale of mass shooting like in the US anywhere else by people who "snapped" because of the cause of their mental health problem that made them buy or steal a gun and just shoot at random innocent people. Seriously now you're focusing on mental health problem to avoid the problems with second amendment? Tell me a region or a continent with a strong law enforcement anywhere in the world with that many mass shootings. God even Africa doesn't reach that scale of mass shooting. Stephen Paddock's cause was depression from losing a lot of his money. Omar Mateen, who shot and killed 49 people at an Orlando gay club, was conflicted about his religion and sexuality, and had anger issues. All of their guns were legally purchased. In a different country they couldn't legally obtain them, and there's no shortage of people like them. Do you seriously not see how is this a problem that they could legally obtain such firearms? But then again for you gun is not a problem but only mental health.

"Stripping the victims of their protection does not help." So now you want everyone to carry a gun for their protection? Because that's the only way they could combat their killers. The US is supposed to be a wealthy first world and developed country, everyone should feel safe regardless if they're carrying a gun or not, it's a rule of law country, not a war torn one. By forcing a society into carrying a weapon out of their own safety, things are not gonna look very well and I'm sure most law enforcers can agree with me on this. Mass shootings can be thwarted but not manslaughters.

I believe that owning a gun is a responsibility, not a right. It should be obtainable for civilians with the right paper work, medical and psychological examinations, a long background check, mandatory training and education, and with a license.

In the US that's not the case, if you pass your background check you can buy a gun with no problem. A background check for a semi-auto rifle depending on what state you're in can take as little as 10 minutes for a pass, if it's delayed then it takes 3 days for the gun seller to receive a call from the FBI to determine your purchase, if it's denied then you're denied a sale. If you're a convicted felon, a fugitive, dishonourable discharged from the military, involuntary committed to a mental hospital, a drug user, or have domestic violence history, you're denied a sale. The weakness and flaw with this system is that if the FBI doesn't call up for 3 days, on the 4th you'll have your gun. Dylann Roof, got his Glock when the examiner at the FBI didn't call after 3 days, because of federal laws, bureaucracy, confusion and investigation on Dylann. By the time she had an answer, 3 days passed. 

The problem with mass shooters is that these people often don't have a criminal record and shockingly no mental health history, therefore they can pass a background check. Stephen Paddock, had no criminal record, or mental health history, therefore he could stockpile. Next thing you know, he opened fire at 22,000 people from his hotel window. 

By making it harder to obtain guns, you are deterring mass shooters from killing innocent people that could be anyone's loved ones, no one wants to turn on the TV, see another mass shooting, and see their loved ones in the list of victims. Studies have shown that gun control can be an effective strategy to combat gun related deaths, from suicide to homicide to mass shooting. https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article/...40/2754868


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US Gun Control - by Conn - 05-28-2020, 11:29 AM
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RE: US Gun Control - by Bobby - 05-28-2020, 03:08 PM
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RE: US Gun Control - by Conn - 05-28-2020, 04:41 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by Venom - 05-28-2020, 04:48 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by Arkten - 05-28-2020, 08:42 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by konsta - 05-28-2020, 11:57 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by Falcon - 05-28-2020, 08:57 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by Foxirius2205 - 05-28-2020, 10:14 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by Venom - 05-28-2020, 10:28 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by konsta - 05-29-2020, 12:12 AM
RE: US Gun Control - by konsta - 05-29-2020, 12:17 AM
RE: US Gun Control - by Veronica - 05-29-2020, 08:31 AM
RE: US Gun Control - by konsta - 05-29-2020, 08:55 AM
RE: US Gun Control - by Veronica - 05-29-2020, 09:56 AM
RE: US Gun Control - by Arkten - 05-29-2020, 12:52 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by konsta - 05-29-2020, 11:41 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by Arkten - 05-29-2020, 01:28 PM
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RE: US Gun Control - by Dextah - 05-29-2020, 04:28 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by Arkten - 05-29-2020, 06:38 PM
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RE: US Gun Control - by Ratatoskrr - 06-04-2020, 11:13 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by konsta - 06-05-2020, 02:28 PM
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RE: US Gun Control - by Kippsee - 06-01-2020, 06:03 PM
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RE: US Gun Control - by Ratatoskrr - 06-01-2020, 06:15 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by Grizzly - 06-01-2020, 10:45 PM
RE: US Gun Control - by MrFinnConlon - 06-07-2020, 05:01 PM
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RE: US Gun Control - by Venom - 06-10-2020, 07:02 PM
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