magnus , SiRNÆRC , [FL:RP] Joshua
#11
7:13 i did not refuse to investigate, I was in a admin sit

also main argument is metagaming but that's literally what you're doing this whole time

22:00 you admitted to powergaming "i switched jobs because of the dispute earlier" powergaming to help your friend Miku and protect her casino.
#12
My story hasn't been mixed up. Re-read whatever you misread and watch the footage. People breaking the rules pisses me off, so of course I'm going to take this to PR. If all of this was purely speculative surely there wouldn't be 30 minutes of footage?
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#13
You can continue to respond to your presidential duties after an admin sit, that's only excuse for a delay. And nowhere at 22:00 did I say "i switched jobs because of the dispute earlier", what the actual fuck are you on about? lmao
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#14
If you somehow messed up the timestamp that badly and were referring to 18:34; let me clarify-

Joshua was failing to follow orders, even after I had become the president, and the reason he was refusing to follow orders was because of the dispute we were having BEFORE I changed jobs. Therefore he's metagaming by being influenced by something which has not happened in character.
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#15
This pr is so confusing. You're mixing up all your arguments and changing your ban assertions all the time, i would appreciate if you would stick to 1 point of departure.
Thanks.
Maeg
#16
You have no right to tell me what I can and can't do on my PR thread. There is nothing confusing about this PR, and you three are being wholly unproductive. You've already made your points, I've already made mine. There's nothing to do from here but wait for a member of staff to give their two cents.

If you could please point to where I mixed up my arguments and changed my ban assertations I'll be sure to check it out.
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#17
Can you put reference points for the video? The video is 30 minutes long...
#18
1:10 - magnus metagaming by having his president friend, sirnarc, change the law whilst he was in a dispute with us about a license which we didn't need

3:35 - me explaining the prior situation to the video

5:36 - magnus trying to put me under the impression that i am disallowed to talk when being arrested

6:25 - magnus FailRPing by chatspam

6:55 - request for demotion gets sent to the president, sirnarc, who is friends with magnus OOC and purposefully does not demote him for this reason

9:45 - magnus target arresting for petty reasons, because he's unhappy with me OOC

11:40 - magnus FailRPing by being rude for no reason as a police officer and earraping with his microphone

11:57 - magnus handcuffing and arresting miku for telling him that a customer has been given permission to yell in her property, not hiding the fact that he is corrupt from the non-corrupt president by ignoring him, more FailRP

13:00 - magnus FailRPing by earraping

13:33 - the situation from 11:57 continued

15:13 - magnus continuing to FailRP as a corrupt cop by staying at the casino and not going on patrol like he should

15:58 - joshua concussing everyone in the room for being loud, including the president, vice president, police offers, sru officers, and citizens. gross misuse of concussion grenade.

16:20 - joshua misusing the taser on someone who isn't fleeing or resisting

18:30 - joshua failing to follow non corrupt presidential orders as a corrupt sru officer, because of OOC reasons. more FailRP. This behaviour continues until 20:10

20:15 - magnus and sirnarc failing to obey non corrupt presidential orders as corrupt police officers, FailRP as corrupt cops. Also staying at the casino yet again when they should be patrolling as they were not called to the scene.

22:40 - magnus and sirnarc running away from me, the president, when I'm talking to them to avoid telling me who tased the wrong person. more corrupt cop FailRP

23:00 - magnus, sirnarc and joshua FailRPing by disobeying me as corrupt cops once again.

Quote from the corrupt cop rules-
"What you can't do is be rude to people for no reason, although you are corrupt you still don't want to lose your job by being reported. You also have to actively do your job, this means you can't stop going on patrol just because you're corrupt, even if you don't have the best interests you may want to patrol to see if you can accept bribes for small crimes to make your wallet bigger."
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#19
Hi turtlesnubs

1. The laws can be changed at any time, it is up to sirnarc if he wants to change the laws. The cop can give advice if he wants on new laws, however it is up to sirnarc if he wants to follow his advice. I see no problem with the first point.

2. Magnus was a corrupt cop, therefore he can tell you not to talk (look at his description. This is allowed, look at https://www.fearlessrp.net/serverrules.php, scroll to the bottom and there will be a black box with the corrupt cop role within there.

3. We discourage chat spamming, a verbal warning is usually issued if noticed by the team.

4. This is a valid point. I would understand if the president was a dictator however he isn't therefore he should really try and investigate situations like this. However, yet again, there may be other reasons as to why he didn't investigate. This isn't really a big problem in my eyes, however I understand your argument.

5. I do want a valid reason for the second arrest, I understand that you are a corrupt cop however that's just stupid. I also want to point out that fearRP applies ONLY if you switched from a weapon to cuffs and they run away. Simply getting your cuffs out isn't enough to initiate fearRP without putting them under gunpoint and giving orders in the first place, no fearRP rule was broken.

6. The loud shouting isn't really an issue, it wasn't done excessively.

7. Attempting to arrest the casino owner I am also confused about, yet again magnus I want a reason for that too. Yet again I am not overly fussed at him shouting.

8. sirnarc, as a reminded, you need security when out in public as the president.

9. magnus, under the corrupt cop description within the rules it states

"What you can't do is be rude to people for no reason, although you are corrupt you still don't want to lose your job by being reported. You also have to actively do your job, this means you can't stop going on patrol just because you're corrupt, even if you don't have the best interests you may want to patrol to see if you can accept bribes for small crimes to make your wallet bigger. Planting items on people to have a reason to arrest someone also comes under powergaming and is not permitted. You also cannot believe you are some god-like figure who is beyond repercussion, this means that you can't go around breaking FailRP and constantly screaming at people or purposefully breaking peoples cars."

so please tell me why you think you can pretty much ignore this part of the corrupt cop description, you shouldn't be arguing with the president and acting like this in front of him. You played the role completely wrong. If you think I am wrong then tell me, explain your reasons?

10. Joshua, you can't shoot randomly at the casino, not in public with no reason and especially not in front of the president.

11. Joshua, random concussion isn't allowed, mass FailRP breakage.

12. Joshua, if you're playing a corrupt role yet again you can't taser someone in front of the president for a corrupt reason, similar to what magnus was doing. More failRP breakage.

13. Yet again, magnus you can't arrest someone for calling you black, in front of the president.

14. I am not fussed about this situation, Joshua eventually followed your orders. Demotion is an option too.

It does make me think, did you (turtlesnubs) purposely not demote people like Joshua so you can gain more evidence for your PR. Will be taken into consideration.

15. [118th ID] MutantP1G - STEAM_0:0:106888727 will be blacklisted from cop and weapons. Time, around 19 minutes shows him shooting someone dead in public without a reason.

Alright I have seen enough, the video is enough to make up my mind without you answering the questions I have written above.

I can't believe how incorrectly and mingy you roleplayed your 'corrupt' cop roles. Looking through the entire video, I saw mass failRP and rules being broken left, right and centre.

Mangus, you didn't roleplay the corrupt cop role correctly what so ever. You have many bans and blacklists and should know a lot better. As I believe that you can do better I will give you the benefit of the doubt (to some extent), you will be blacklisted from officer. However, if you get banned or blacklisted within a month or so for a similar reason of being mingy then I will happily extend that ban up and beyond.

sir narc, you played it smart, I do believe some corrupt cop rules were broken however very borderline. You will be excused from any punishment, but I will make sure you are observed over the next few weeks. I certainly will be.

Joshua, no excuses, everything you did wasn't even really borderline, but blatant. Your ban will be extended, especially after giving you a ban on the last BR. I feel like I have given you enough chances.

[118th ID] MutantP1G - STEAM_0:0:106888727 - a cop and weapon blacklist will be given.

I don't really understand why you weren't demoted by the president however the fact is that you continued throughout the video, and in some cases, in front of the president. Please use my notes above as a reference to what I was thinking after each point raised, and if you have any more questions then contact me. However my punishment is final, if you don't agree, appeal it.

To avoid this, read https://www.fearlessrp.net/serverrules.php. ESPECIALLY THE CORRUPT COP SECTION, PLEASE.

Concluded, approved.


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