Dawnrider's UnBan request 27/05/2013

[Dawnrider]

Really? Really? He RDM'd? First of all it was a global RP event. If you didn't want to participate you could have left. He said that.

He told them to bring up on person to which a man came up and willingly wanted to RP in this situation as a sacrifice. It was not just an execution, it was totally RP'd as Vauld asked him questions and he went along with it, his own choice.

After killing him we then had someone yell out something along the lines of "This president sucks" to which Vauld ordered him up to be executed as a lesson.

Following this Vauld said kill the rest of them (This was roleplay) This was followed by a radio message saying "Don't actually kill them, just scare them off" Because he wanted you to leave the city to not die.

Myself as a security guard heard this radio message from proximity so I suppose many did as well. I was not right next to him.

We then preceded to shoot in the air and at peoples feet and well despite the fact that many people broke fear RP and sat there, other than a few officers who did not listen to Vauld's radio we didn't shoot a single person. Just around them.

We then went up and he continuously gave warnings to leave, never telling his cops or SRU to kill anyone who stayed. (why would they? The gas would do that).

So despite the amount of people who failRP'd Vauld kept going. We all put on gas masks and the 4 of us walked down as all the SRU died around us, so they couldn't have been doing anything.

You cannot blame Vauld for what the police officers did because we were RPing and they were told to leave, we had no clue till the shooting you guys did that there was a barricade there and killing going on.

Vauld then did say in broadcast he was ending his own reign as president. To where he jumped on a rusted car and pulled of his gas mask, myself and 3 others followed. As well as many people around us (who should have already been dead -_-) truthfully the amount of people that properly RP'd this was very low. With people stepping on dead bodies and then as you all started to shoot at us and (yes some of us were hit other than the president) It was really ruining the RP.

You had no reason to shoot us and we were Roleplaying a big death instead of just going "well hopefully the president gets raided". If any of you truly RP'd you would know this.

What you really need to do (despite dumb cops) was realize your choices were not with intention to improve the RP and your choices inevitably made it worse. A revolution was not neccessary, the gas was killing everyone and then cleared up. You didn't RP a Toxic Deadly Gas outbreak. You just saw it as any other dictatorship which it was far from.

If the cops were shooting at people who entered you should have told Vauld instead of taking it into your own hands. At no point ever were they given an order to do so.

Ok, first of all, I want to thank rolorox, you have cleared the situation up alot and I now have a better understanding of what was happening. I do admit that we probably shouldn't of taken a shot at the president. However, Vauld you have already said that we had a perfectly fine reason to do this. Second, I apoligise if anyone lying on the ground was hit by bullet fire, however this was certainly no intentionally from me or Oneshott, we only were trying to shoot the president. On top of this, Rolorox you already just admitted in your last post that there were failRP cops in the nexus so is it not believable that they set up a barricade at the edge of the city and took what Vauld said the wrong way? Yes we could of called an admin but as we assumed that this was part of the RP we felt there was no point and that considering some of us where already armed, it would make more sense to just eliminate the barricade and set any civilians who wanted to leave the city free, I also had in my mind that an admin recently had said to try to RP the situation if possible, even if someone else is breaking rules. I'd also like to add to this that we only ever fired upon armed officers, shooting only to scare (I can only say this for myself) for those on the other side of the tunnel who were cowering behind a car ( I do suspect that there may of been some bullet recoil here, where I hit the car and it may of bounced of and hit someone, which may be why you thought we were firing at those lying on the ground). Anyone who was un-armed, I ran out to to stop any fire and escorted out of the tunnel and behind the barricade. Finally, I would like to make it clear that I am not trying to accuse Vauld of being in the wrong, if I was I'd of made an admin abuse post, not an un ban request. I didn't see anything wrong with what Vauld did up untill he banned me and Oneshott for a reason I see as unfair. I think this post is starting to get off topic by accusing Vauld of RDM, I don't believe he did this, I just don't see how I committed RDM here. Thank You, I look forward to your response.

[Oneshott]

Really? Really? He RDM'd? First of all it was a global RP event. If you didn't want to participate you could have left. He said that.

He told them to bring up on person to which a man came up and willingly wanted to RP in this situation as a sacrifice. It was not just an execution, it was totally RP'd as Vauld asked him questions and he went along with it, his own choice.

After killing him we then had someone yell out something along the lines of "This president sucks" to which Vauld ordered him up to be executed as a lesson.

Following this Vauld said kill the rest of them (This was roleplay) This was followed by a radio message saying "Don't actually kill them, just scare them off" Because he wanted you to leave the city to not die.

Myself as a security guard heard this radio message from proximity so I suppose many did as well. I was not right next to him.

We then preceded to shoot in the air and at peoples feet and well despite the fact that many people broke fear RP and sat there, other than a few officers who did not listen to Vauld's radio we didn't shoot a single person. Just around them.

We then went up and he continuously gave warnings to leave, never telling his cops or SRU to kill anyone who stayed. (why would they? The gas would do that).

So despite the amount of people who failRP'd Vauld kept going. We all put on gas masks and the 4 of us walked down as all the SRU died around us, so they couldn't have been doing anything.

You cannot blame Vauld for what the police officers did because we were RPing and they were told to leave, we had no clue till the shooting you guys did that there was a barricade there and killing going on.

Vauld then did say in broadcast he was ending his own reign as president. To where he jumped on a rusted car and pulled of his gas mask, myself and 3 others followed. As well as many people around us (who should have already been dead -_-) truthfully the amount of people that properly RP'd this was very low. With people stepping on dead bodies and then as you all started to shoot at us and (yes some of us were hit other than the president) It was really ruining the RP.

You had no reason to shoot us and we were Roleplaying a big death instead of just going "well hopefully the president gets raided". If any of you truly RP'd you would know this.

What you really need to do (despite dumb cops) was realize your choices were not with intention to improve the RP and your choices inevitably made it worse. A revolution was not neccessary, the gas was killing everyone and then cleared up. You didn't RP a Toxic Deadly Gas outbreak. You just saw it as any other dictatorship which it was far from.

If the cops were shooting at people who entered you should have told Vauld instead of taking it into your own hands. At no point ever were they given an order to do so.

How is it that we should know that vauld did not give the order to block off the tunnel? It seemed fitting since the whole city was being gassed.
Also the cops were shooting at civilians NOT us!
We were not ruining the RP we were simply trying to get rid of a blockade that was there to let citizens out of the city safely, then we saw the president walk near the tunnel so the rebel leader decided we should take the shot.
That seemed fine.
And about the radio message , He sent out a radio message? Well not everyone can see/hear that, When he broadcasts kill them all, For us it looks like Kill them all.
We couldnt see what you could see cause we were not with the president.
Also we didnt just want to raid the president cause we knew there was gas in the city, so that would have been stupid, all we wanted to do was clear the barricade as i said earlier, again we could not have known that it wasnt vaulds order, and even if it wasnt, blame the cops not the rebels for responding to this.
All in all i really dont understand how we were ruining the RP when the whole police force including SRU, Was blocking off the tunnel not letting anyone in or out, and using lethal force to do so.
Vauld, I honestly think you got mixed up with the cops and the rebels shooting at eachother at once, and maybe there was some crossfire, I dont know. But we certainly did NOT shoot civilians on purpose.
The cops did.
And we all realise it was RP, we do, But in the spirit of RP , would in real life there not be protests, killings, rebellions, When a president would do this, I think there would be.
And i think that "freeing" and clearing the tunnel so innocents could get out in time, would have been an improvement for the RP... cause it gave people another choice then just stand there and watch, or run, Now they had someone to run to.
Saying we took matters in our own hands, Might be correct but only cause we thought it was part of the rp, none of us knew that vauld did not give this order.

[Narc]

You have your own unban request, stick to that.

[Oneshott]

You have your own unban request, stick to that.

As i said earlier i understand i have my own unban request but no1 is responding there, the whole convo is going on here, and the bans were from the same reasons at the same time, so it makes more sense to keep it on one place to not create confusion does it not?

[Narc]

You have your own unban request, stick to that.

As i said earlier i understand i have my own unban request but no1 is responding there, the whole convo is going on here, and the bans were from the same reasons at the same time, so it makes more sense to keep it on one place to not create confusion does it not?

You have your unban request to explain yourself, it's very short and doesn't really tell me anything, edit it up.

Dawnrider has his unban request to explain himself, you stick to your own appeal.

[Oneshott]

You have your own unban request, stick to that.

As i said earlier i understand i have my own unban request but no1 is responding there, the whole convo is going on here, and the bans were from the same reasons at the same time, so it makes more sense to keep it on one place to not create confusion does it not?

You have your unban request to explain yourself, it's very short and doesn't really tell me anything, edit it up.

Dawnrider has his unban request to explain himself, you stick to your own appeal.

So i explain it in the place where no1 is responding instead of joining the arguement that involves me?
Also all you will get is the same arguement twice... What is the point of that?

[wozza2000]

Really? Really? He RDM'd? First of all it was a global RP event. If you didn't want to participate you could have left. He said that.

He told them to bring up on person to which a man came up and willingly wanted to RP in this situation as a sacrifice. It was not just an execution, it was totally RP'd as Vauld asked him questions and he went along with it, his own choice.

After killing him we then had someone yell out something along the lines of "This president sucks" to which Vauld ordered him up to be executed as a lesson.

Following this Vauld said kill the rest of them (This was roleplay) This was followed by a radio message saying "Don't actually kill them, just scare them off" Because he wanted you to leave the city to not die.

Myself as a security guard heard this radio message from proximity so I suppose many did as well. I was not right next to him.

We then preceded to shoot in the air and at peoples feet and well despite the fact that many people broke fear RP and sat there, other than a few officers who did not listen to Vauld's radio we didn't shoot a single person. Just around them.

We then went up and he continuously gave warnings to leave, never telling his cops or SRU to kill anyone who stayed. (why would they? The gas would do that).

So despite the amount of people who failRP'd Vauld kept going. We all put on gas masks and the 4 of us walked down as all the SRU died around us, so they couldn't have been doing anything.

You cannot blame Vauld for what the police officers did because we were RPing and they were told to leave, we had no clue till the shooting you guys did that there was a barricade there and killing going on.

Vauld then did say in broadcast he was ending his own reign as president. To where he jumped on a rusted car and pulled of his gas mask, myself and 3 others followed. As well as many people around us (who should have already been dead -_-) truthfully the amount of people that properly RP'd this was very low. With people stepping on dead bodies and then as you all started to shoot at us and (yes some of us were hit other than the president) It was really ruining the RP.

You had no reason to shoot us and we were Roleplaying a big death instead of just going "well hopefully the president gets raided". If any of you truly RP'd you would know this.

What you really need to do (despite dumb cops) was realize your choices were not with intention to improve the RP and your choices inevitably made it worse. A revolution was not neccessary, the gas was killing everyone and then cleared up. You didn't RP a Toxic Deadly Gas outbreak. You just saw it as any other dictatorship which it was far from.

If the cops were shooting at people who entered you should have told Vauld instead of taking it into your own hands. At no point ever were they given an order to do so.

That is my own opinion.. that he promoted aggressive RP. am I not entitled to an opinion?

[Vauld]

You are totally entitled to expressing your opinion to the utmost degree.

So this is what I've understood from this case so far.
Everyone can agree that the start of my presidency was just.
Everyone can agree that there was a valid reason to kill me.

The part that perplexes me, is the fact that as I was trying to RP a death, shots came down the tunnel, injuring not only me, but several innocent civilians. As you all stated "I didn't mean to hit any innocents" well, it doesn't matter. You are liable for who you hit, regardless of whether or not you tried to. And the fact of the matter is, you hit them. Thus why you were banned from attempted RDM. As for the ruining an RP event, it was quite clear to EVERYONE besides you, that I was RP'ing a death. I said in broadcast 3 times, "I'm going to join the cleanse" "It is time for me to go" "Goodbye citizens". And even after the 3 broadcasts, you all shot at me. What the hell kind of RP is that?

I think this argument is over, you all hit innocent civilians which is considered attempted RDM, whether or not you meant to or not isn't my problem. You are held liable for who your bullets hit. Regardless of my thoughts on you all attempting to ruin the RP event, I don't even need that reason. Attempted RDM on the degree you participated in, in my opinion is 5 days.

Wozza, you are entitled to your opinion that I promoted aggressive RP.

And I'm entitled to my opinion that the rebels Fail RP'ed, promoted unneeded aggressive RP at that point, that you all attempted to ruin an RP event. And I stand by the fact that you all hit innocent civilians which is classified as attempted RDM. You all should try passive next time.

[wozza2000]

You are totally entitled to expressing your opinion to the utmost degree.

So this is what I've understood from this case so far.
Everyone can agree that the start of my presidency was just.
Everyone can agree that there was a valid reason to kill me.

The part that perplexes me, is the fact that as I was trying to RP a death, shots came down the tunnel, injuring not only me, but several innocent civilians. As you all stated "I didn't mean to hit any innocents" well, it doesn't matter. You are liable for who you hit, regardless of whether or not you tried to. And the fact of the matter is, you hit them. Thus why you were banned from attempted RDM. As for the ruining an RP event, it was quite clear to EVERYONE besides you, that I was RP'ing a death. I said in broadcast 3 times, "I'm going to join the cleanse" "It is time for me to go" "Goodbye citizens". And even after the 3 broadcasts, you all shot at me. What the hell kind of RP is that?

I think this argument is over, you all hit innocent civilians which is considered attempted RDM, whether or not you meant to or not isn't my problem. You are held liable for who your bullets hit. Regardless of my thoughts on you all attempting to ruin the RP event, I don't even need that reason. Attempted RDM on the degree you participated in, in my opinion is 5 days.

Wozza, you are entitled to your opinion that I promoted aggressive RP.

And I'm entitled to my opinion that the rebels Fail RP'ed, promoted unneeded aggressive RP at that point, that you all attempted to ruin an RP event. And I stand by the fact that you all hit innocent civilians which is classified as attempted RDM. You all should try passive next time.

Edited: To my current post, making it clear that Wozza wasn't involved.

Well thank you, but I would just like to say I was one of the guys laying on the street I didn't shoot nor was I at the barricade at the time but I did see the barricade being built and I saw you get shot.

[Oneshott]

You are totally entitled to expressing your opinion to the utmost degree.

So this is what I've understood from this case so far.
Everyone can agree that the start of my presidency was just.
Everyone can agree that there was a valid reason to kill me.

The part that perplexes me, is the fact that as I was trying to RP a death, shots came down the tunnel, injuring not only me, but several innocent civilians. As you all stated "I didn't mean to hit any innocents" well, it doesn't matter. You are liable for who you hit, regardless of whether or not you tried to. And the fact of the matter is, you hit them. Thus why you were banned from attempted RDM. As for the ruining an RP event, it was quite clear to EVERYONE besides you, that I was RP'ing a death. I said in broadcast 3 times, "I'm going to join the cleanse" "It is time for me to go" "Goodbye citizens". And even after the 3 broadcasts, you all shot at me. What the hell kind of RP is that?

I think this argument is over, you all hit innocent civilians which is considered attempted RDM, whether or not you meant to or not isn't my problem. You are held liable for who your bullets hit. Regardless of my thoughts on you all attempting to ruin the RP event, I don't even need that reason. Attempted RDM on the degree you participated in, in my opinion is 5 days.

Wozza, you are entitled to your opinion that I promoted aggressive RP.

And I'm entitled to my opinion that the rebels Fail RP'ed, promoted unneeded aggressive RP at that point, that you all attempted to ruin an RP event. And I stand by the fact that you all hit innocent civilians which is classified as attempted RDM. You all should try passive next time.

Edited: To my current post, making it clear that Wozza wasn't involved.

Is there a way to check to logs to see who actually damaged civilians? Cause im almost 100% certain i shot only cops with guns, and i never even took a shot at you, yet i was banned and some of the people that shot at you weren't , Its cause i had an awp out and was just looking through it to see everything, You assumed i shot you, if you check the logs, I did not.
Also wozza was lying on the street, he was not at the barricade at the time of you being shot, He saw everything happen from your perspective, Not ours.
How do you know so certain it was me and dawnrider shooting the civilains and not any of the other rebels or the cops for that matter. How?