Dawnrider's UnBan request 27/05/2013

[Dawnrider]

[b]Your name: [Fl:RP] Dawnrider

[b]Your ban ID: 32404

[b]Banned by: [FL] Vauld

[b]Reason: Attempting to ruin an RP event, attempted RDM.

[b]Involved: Many including [FL] Vauld himself, myself, Oneshott

[b]Why we should unban you: So here is exactually what happened, [FL] Vauld was president and decided to do some mentally crazy president RP, he then went on the broadcast and said that he had gassed the city and that anyone who entered would die. He started to complain in OOC that people were failRPing by them being in the city and this led to him setting up a barricade at the edge of the city where his SS were given the order to murder innocent civilians who were anywhere near it. Upon witnessing this, as rebels I, Oneshott, [FL:RP] WozzEER, [FL:RP] zindy and a few others decided to take over the barricade and stated in an advert (Zindy is trying to get a screenshot of this)that the government were to stay away from it and it was now under rebel / citizen control ( we did this to prevent any more innocent deaths), the police kept coming and we even caught sight of the president, based on the reason that he had gassed the entire city and the government caused deaths to civilians, we attempted an assassination attempt ( me and Oneshott). This led to [FL] Vauld entering God mode, flying over to us and shouting at us to supply a reason for why we had done this, after repeatedly supplying a reason, which I believe to be valid in local OOC, he proceeded to give me a 5 day ban, and OneShott a 3 day ban [ which I also see as unfair as he gave the exact same reason for both bans but different times ( perhaps a mistake? I'm not sure but OneSHott's ban ID is 32405 if you want to check this]. I really hope you pay attention to this request as I believe this was a very unfair reason to ban me and possibly a confusion in the moment, at the very least I request that my ban gets reduced to the same time as Oneshotts considering it was for the same reason, Thank You.

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Zindy has some of the screenshot's, and so you may want to wait for him to upload them (which should be within next 24 hours) if what I have already said is not enough, thanks.

[Dawnrider]

Here is the screenshott's I promised:

This first screenshot provides evidence that we did have perfect reason to attempt to assassinate [FL] Vauld (who was the president) as cars were banned: https://picasaweb.google.com/11635206856...7759209426

This Screenshot shows the advert I sent out that Rebels / Citizens were now in control of the barricade :
https://picasaweb.google.com/11635206856...1858526338

[Vauld]

Oh you've got to be kidding me. Let's begin.

#1: I didn't setup a barricade, you all did. You used the barricade to shoot into the city.

#2: I gave no orders to kill innocent civilians. That is a blatant lie.

#3: You have a perfectly fine reason to assassinate me, there was no reason to shoot the dying people on the street.

#4: Anyone who tried to leave the city, you would shoot them... Unarmed police officers running away would be shot.

5: We were all laying down on the ground, suffocating from the gas, trying to RP.. And you STILL shot at us. You shot us while we were like this: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi...=148620632

6: There was no mistake in the ban times, I believed that you had more to do with it than the others, so your ban time was longer.

Like honestly, can you not tell by the passed out bodies that we're trying to RP? There was absolutely no reason for you to be bringing aggressive RP into an event that was other-wise passive. I was laid down passed out from the gas, and you still shot at us, hitting anyone in the range of the bullets... That's not okay.

[wozza2000]

They didn't set up the barricade your SRU and cops did.
also I was one of the people lying there and I didn't get shot and I didn't see anyone else get shot

[Oneshott]

Oh you've got to be kidding me. Let's begin.

#1: I didn't setup a barricade, you all did. You used the barricade to shoot into the city.

#2: I gave no orders to kill innocent civilians. That is a blatant lie.

#3: You have a perfectly fine reason to assassinate me, there was no reason to shoot the dying people on the street.

#4: Anyone who tried to leave the city, you would shoot them... Unarmed police officers running away would be shot.

5: We were all laying down on the ground, suffocating from the gas, trying to RP.. And you STILL shot at us. You shot us while we were like this: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi...=148620632

6: There was no mistake in the ban times, I believed that you had more to do with it than the others, so your ban time was longer.

Like honestly, can you not tell by the passed out bodies that we're trying to RP? There was absolutely no reason for you to be bringing aggressive RP into an event that was other-wise passive. I was laid down passed out from the gas, and you still shot at us, hitting anyone in the range of the bullets... That's not okay.

#1 It was maybe not you that set it up , but it certainly was not us, We took it over. The cops were the ones to set it up.

#2 You did order to kill civilians , you even ordered us to come witness it in the nexus lobby, And yes i know it was RP.

#3 We never opened fire on people lying down on the floor, When we took the shot on you you were standing, Not lying down.

#4 We didnt shoot Anyone trying to leave the city, Only government employees with a weapon out, Anyone else was free to leave, That was the whole point of taking over the barricade, To let the innocent get out to the "Free world without gas"

#5 Again when we shot you, You were standing, Not lying, Neither did we ever shoot anyone lying on the floor "Suffocating".

To #6 i have nothing to say, That is your decision.

Overall i feel like it was a big misunderstanding, cause when you came flying to us i was trying to ask the reason why you felt like we were ruining an RP event, We felt like we were actually participating, since we were trying to free people from the tyranny and i saw no harm in that.
This is my point of view and i hope that we can discuss it as civilised peope.

I know that this is not my Unban request but it is about the same subject and i saw that you responded here, so i figured id give it my 2 cents.

Best regards,
Oneshott

[Dawnrider]

Ok, lets see:

1.) Your cops set up the barricade and were shooting anyone who was entering the city, it was not us. Upon hearing this the rebels moved to the barricade and over-through it, I don't see how that should get me banned just as you didn't order your cops to set it up, it wasn't me and if you had taken the time to look at who owned the props rather than just getting into a fit because you were nearly taken down, you may of realized this ( can I just add that if any officer who was at the barricade, I believe one to be passurus ( the HSS at the time) could come and back me up here, it would be useful).

2.) You wrote in OOC that no civilian who was killed for entering the city should take offence (or something along those lines) so please don't call me a lier when I am not lying.

3.) We never shot any civilians on the street at all, me and Oneshott both just took an awp shot at you (the president).

4.) We only shot at armed officers arriving at the tunnel (some breaking NLR) and escorted any civilians/ non- government officials to safety welcoming to the freedom of non government owned land (again if any of those civilians involved could back me up here, it would be useful).

5.) At the time in which we took the shot at you, you were not lying down on the ground, you were standing and so were all around you ( I'm not sure if you were about to sleep, but from the distance we were away there was no way of telling this, you were standing up when we took the shot).

6.) If you are gonna make different ban times, it would of been more useful to tell us this, you banned me mid way through an argument with you on the server about this topic without even saying why.

I would also prefer you do not talk to me as if I'm an idiot for putting this up with a comment such as "Oh you've got to be kidding me", it would of been far more professional of you as an admin just to get on with your reasons. Finally, you say the reason was for us shooting at people in the tunnel? you never witnessed this and only came over when we took a shot at you and only addressed us as doing wrong for shooting at you at the time shouting "what is your reason".

Thank you, I look forward to your response.

[MJW112]

Oh you've got to be kidding me. Let's begin.

#1: I didn't setup a barricade, you all did. You used the barricade to shoot into the city.

#2: I gave no orders to kill innocent civilians. That is a blatant lie.

#3: You have a perfectly fine reason to assassinate me, there was no reason to shoot the dying people on the street.

#4: Anyone who tried to leave the city, you would shoot them... Unarmed police officers running away would be shot.

5: We were all laying down on the ground, suffocating from the gas, trying to RP.. And you STILL shot at us. You shot us while we were like this: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/fi...=148620632

6: There was no mistake in the ban times, I believed that you had more to do with it than the others, so your ban time was longer.

Like honestly, can you not tell by the passed out bodies that we're trying to RP? There was absolutely no reason for you to be bringing aggressive RP into an event that was other-wise passive. I was laid down passed out from the gas, and you still shot at us, hitting anyone in the range of the bullets... That's not okay.

I witnessed most of these fights and also involved in some as well.

Firstly everyone was ordered to the Nexus building and also change to a civilian under gun point of every soldier and SRU available. Once seated you appeared
at a podium and talked about "cleansing the city" and how we will pay for what we have done. Then you ordered your police force to select
a random person and then they all executed him. Shortly after you executed another person, then ordered your police force to kill everyone else. Most of us escaped,
and regrouped planning our retaliation. We then learnt you gassed the entire city.


#1. When we did attack the roadblock was already their, WE DID NOT create it, your police force must of done.
We did not enter the city, fearing the gas while also trying to get civilians out of the city.
We did not fire into the city itself only the tunnel leading to the city at the police who were armed and trying to tell to stand down
(they might of been out of our voice chat in hindsight).

#2. Yes you did in the Nexus - see first paragraph. This was our reason to overthrow you.

#3. We did not kill civilians especially ones lying on the ground. Our rebel leader (Dawnrider) order to attack armed government
only not to harm civilians but to try and assist them when (if) we get into the city.

#4. No only police who had guns in their hands, (we gave them a chance to disarm first,
but again they might of been out of Dawnriders radio). If there was people who were shot,
might of been accidental or they were not shot by us.

#5. No, we were shooting the police in the tunnel, once they were eliminated,
we held off and guarded the city entrance. After a while we spotted you walking with some other
civilians around the bodies, and Dawnrider gave the order to shoot the president. I took a shot and someone else,
but within seconds you flew in front of us demanding why we were shooting and ruining the rp, also you claimed RDM,where i believe we didn't.
We just reacted to the Nexus situation.

#6 The Hours of the ban is your call but in my opinion the ban was uncalled for cause we legitimatly reacted to the presidents(You) actions.

[Vauld]

I ordered the death of a person who talked against the government. I did say to "Kill them all", as a tactic to scare you all, in the radio is said "Don't actually kill them, just scare them off".

When I decided to commit suicide, which I announced in broadcast MULTIPLE times, I walked outside with a group, we all took off our masks, and then a whole bunch of gunshots came from the end of the tunnel, hitting multiple people.

To me, it appeared as though you all were clearly disrupting the RP, by promoting aggressive RP and shooting multiple people (who were trying to RP a death).

[wozza2000]

But you did kill 2 people in the nexus at first you said pick a random person and bring him up here then u proceeded to say fire and they shot him to death then you killed another man for speaking out at the government. me personally I think that you broke Rdm to.
Also I was laying next to you when you zipped off to ban them and I didn't see anyone other than you get shot. might have just been me but I didn't see anyone get shot or complain about being shot.

[Rolorox]

Really? Really? He RDM'd? First of all it was a global RP event. If you didn't want to participate you could have left. He said that.

He told them to bring up on person to which a man came up and willingly wanted to RP in this situation as a sacrifice. It was not just an execution, it was totally RP'd as Vauld asked him questions and he went along with it, his own choice.

After killing him we then had someone yell out something along the lines of "This president sucks" to which Vauld ordered him up to be executed as a lesson.

Following this Vauld said kill the rest of them (This was roleplay) This was followed by a radio message saying "Don't actually kill them, just scare them off" Because he wanted you to leave the city to not die.

Myself as a security guard heard this radio message from proximity so I suppose many did as well. I was not right next to him.

We then preceded to shoot in the air and at peoples feet and well despite the fact that many people broke fear RP and sat there, other than a few officers who did not listen to Vauld's radio we didn't shoot a single person. Just around them.

We then went up and he continuously gave warnings to leave, never telling his cops or SRU to kill anyone who stayed. (why would they? The gas would do that).

So despite the amount of people who failRP'd Vauld kept going. We all put on gas masks and the 4 of us walked down as all the SRU died around us, so they couldn't have been doing anything.

You cannot blame Vauld for what the police officers did because we were RPing and they were told to leave, we had no clue till the shooting you guys did that there was a barricade there and killing going on.

Vauld then did say in broadcast he was ending his own reign as president. To where he jumped on a rusted car and pulled of his gas mask, myself and 3 others followed. As well as many people around us (who should have already been dead -_-) truthfully the amount of people that properly RP'd this was very low. With people stepping on dead bodies and then as you all started to shoot at us and (yes some of us were hit other than the president) It was really ruining the RP.

You had no reason to shoot us and we were Roleplaying a big death instead of just going "well hopefully the president gets raided". If any of you truly RP'd you would know this.

What you really need to do (despite dumb cops) was realize your choices were not with intention to improve the RP and your choices inevitably made it worse. A revolution was not neccessary, the gas was killing everyone and then cleared up. You didn't RP a Toxic Deadly Gas outbreak. You just saw it as any other dictatorship which it was far from.

If the cops were shooting at people who entered you should have told Vauld instead of taking it into your own hands. At no point ever were they given an order to do so.