serious fl discussion ideas

[god]

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Pollux has no life without FL and probs sells ur data to China

[Nadrickk]

It’s a shame to see, school holidays and it’s non existent

its the exams fault

[Pollux]

Just let FL sink into the ocean instead of repairing one hole when 4 more appear each time, it was a good effort but left too little too late

Put the server out its misery already, Whatever you do wont ever take back to FL`s old numbers lets be real be fun for about 2 weeks then fall back down again

No one is forcing you to stay, if you want to see it shut down then just move on and let the people who are bothered try.

The only thing you’re bothered about is being in a position of power.

Infact you’d be surprised how many people wouldn’t have left if you didn’t start making decisions lol

ah yes all the decisions I personally made myself because polluxRP!!

You can blame me or whoever you like if it makes you feel better, truth is years of inaction and general decline have been thrown onto us. We had quite a bit of success with the latest update considering we had a full server for almost a month, it just had no follow up. It's somewhat amusing how most of the vocal and anti-staff people around here are also those who are completely inactive and have been for years, it's almost like it's more about the drama than actually helping FL for some people?

[Fultz]

Just let FL sink into the ocean instead of repairing one hole when 4 more appear each time, it was a good effort but left too little too late

Put the server out its misery already, Whatever you do wont ever take back to FL`s old numbers lets be real be fun for about 2 weeks then fall back down again

No one is forcing you to stay, if you want to see it shut down then just move on and let the people who are bothered try.

The only thing you’re bothered about is being in a position of power.

Infact you’d be surprised how many people wouldn’t have left if you didn’t start making decisions lol

ah yes all the decisions I personally made myself because polluxRP!!

You can blame me or whoever you like if it makes you feel better, truth is years of inaction and general decline have been thrown onto us. We had quite a bit of success with the latest update considering we had a full server for almost a month, it just had no follow up. It's somewhat amusing how most of the vocal and anti-staff people around here are also those who are completely inactive and have been for years, it's almost like it's more about the drama than actually helping FL for some people?

Make  another  survey

[Lewwings]

Just let FL sink into the ocean instead of repairing one hole when 4 more appear each time, it was a good effort but left too little too late

Put the server out its misery already, Whatever you do wont ever take back to FL`s old numbers lets be real be fun for about 2 weeks then fall back down again

No one is forcing you to stay, if you want to see it shut down then just move on and let the people who are bothered try.

The only thing you’re bothered about is being in a position of power.

Infact you’d be surprised how many people wouldn’t have left if you didn’t start making decisions lol

ah yes all the decisions I personally made myself because polluxRP!!

You can blame me or whoever you like if it makes you feel better, truth is years of inaction and general decline have been thrown onto us. We had quite a bit of success with the latest update considering we had a full server for almost a month, it just had no follow up. It's somewhat amusing how most of the vocal and anti-staff people around here are also those who are completely inactive and have been for years, it's almost like it's more about the drama than actually helping FL for some people?

You are somewhat fuelling such 'anti-staff' messages by responding to them and legitimising them as a result.

Perhaps refraining yourself could be a better strategy. Whatever the argument is, you're not going to be able to argue with feelings.

Just my two cents.

Edit: Had to do a double take at 'general decline have been thrown onto us', which is absolutely not true - these are the same issues that faced FL last year, and was completely avoidable.

[Arkten]

just recode the gamemode, smh

[Arkten]

On a more serious note, there has been a lot of stuff going on.
I personally have only limited info as I do not use Steam (and thus GMod) and Discord anymore for security reasons, but the main communication probably happens over there.

I find that Discord tends to compete with Forums and In-Game comms which somewhat kills the latter. Really a shame.

I could also identify a lot of dispersion among FL services. I don't mind the Merch Shop, but there is an entire Forum for interaction and communication, Discord channels for the same and the in-game comms. The map should not spread people hindering player interaction (v5p was horrible with this. Not sure if San ranevo cuts the cake either), you have multiple servers that are online all the time, but low playercount.

Some crazy solutions to (potentially) fix this would be:
1. Get rid of Discord or limit it to announcements only. People should not check up on the Discord but the game server / forums, if they cannot play. Trying to spread the base among all 3 will cause lower average numbers consequently. You want to keep the game server for imminent short-gratification content and forums for long-term planning and informational content.

2. Check the map for its size. I cannot say mich about it bar what I can see from the top-down map view. If it has a good small size and features what you need, is fast to download and doesnt need a thousand other games to not turn it into pink hell, then keep it. You do not want map changes every other day. That kills off consistency and interest in prop building. FL's main point was stability back then, when they would never change maps for 8 years or so.

3. Limit active server time! This one is crazy, but could help two problems at the same time: Have one server only have it play the main gamemode starting from say 18:00 to 20:00 (or incase there are still a lot of people on when it drops below 5 or 10).The rest of the time, make it be the build gm. Instead of spreading your entire playerbase among 24 hours, condense it into 2 hours only. This should help fight the "game is not worth waiting 2 hours for 10 people to join" if 2 hours is what ALL players will have to join. No guarantees, but I would suspect players are more likely to join and wait a little to see what is going on, if they know there is not much time to do so. Should help kickstart the server. You obviously wanna pick a sensible time for all players (average timezone is probably CET, fuck americans). Make sure to be absolutely transparent about it, so that new players know what's going on.

4. Get rid of stupid rules. You were on a good way with the rule rewrite, but there are still a lot of rules actively preventing roleplay such as FearRP, 'FailRP', Metagaming, NLR, self-supply powergaming, etc. I will follow up with a post where I dissect each rule and why it is necessary/unnecessary. Cutting down on rules frees interaction, removes admin supervision costs and doesnt stop the RP every 3 seconds because "see you on the forums"...

5. Keep general server performance awesome! I cannot stress enough how good server performance is a must. In UX it is often talked about how things that take longer to load will turn users away from your product. A website is supposed to load in less than 3 seconds but waiting 10min for the server content is justifiable? I think not. And no, it is not my RTX 2060's or i7 9700K 5 GHz's fault if my framerate drops below 60. It is your piece of shit gamemode that is still the only one in the entire server browser that cant get their priorities straight.


That shall be it for now. Again just some input from one that does'nt even play.

[Marty]

I wonder if Rockstar still wonder and worry about the lowering number of players playing Grand Theft Auto 4, or whether they understand that it's a game mode that is 15 years old and no longer meets the requirements of modern day gaming.

I mean, there are other games out there that surely could be utilised. There is just a reluctannce to do so. Either the current development team do not have the technical skills to carry out such a transformation, or they are just nostalgic and reluctant.

[Marty]

Just let FL sink into the ocean instead of repairing one hole when 4 more appear each time, it was a good effort but left too little too late

Put the server out its misery already, Whatever you do wont ever take back to FL`s old numbers lets be real be fun for about 2 weeks then fall back down again

No one is forcing you to stay, if you want to see it shut down then just move on and let the people who are bothered try.

The only thing you’re bothered about is being in a position of power.

Infact you’d be surprised how many people wouldn’t have left if you didn’t start making decisions lol

ah yes all the decisions I personally made myself because polluxRP!!

You can blame me or whoever you like if it makes you feel better, truth is years of inaction and general decline have been thrown onto us. We had quite a bit of success with the latest update considering we had a full server for almost a month, it just had no follow up. It's somewhat amusing how most of the vocal and anti-staff people around here are also those who are completely inactive and have been for years, it's almost like it's more about the drama than actually helping FL for some people?

Make  another  survey

[Equinox]

I wonder if Rockstar still wonder and worry about the lowering number of players playing Grand Theft Auto 4, or whether they understand that it's a game mode that is 15 years old and no longer meets the requirements of modern day gaming.

I mean, there are other games out there that surely could be utilised. There is just a reluctannce to do so. Either the current development team do not have the technical skills to carry out such a transformation, or they are just nostalgic and reluctant.

Fearless starts and ends on Garry's mod. All the developers have their profession set in LUA and Source engine, not in other games like DayZ or FiveM. To move or expand we'd either need to build a dev team and gamemode from scratch, which is a year-long full-time project to achieve alpha stages, or acquire other community and change the name.

I personally haven't tried any other RPing platforms, but I can tell you that I also have no intentions of doing so. Garry's mod is superior to FiveM, with two exceptions of physics engine and graphics. You've seen all the events and builds people can do in this game. You've seen all the workshop addons and scripts that people have done. So when it comes to the question regarding "which RP game to choose", we're pretty much up there already on the top. "Game is old and ugly" answer is, and always has been invalid. The game itself is not an issue here, you're one Google search away from the stats if you wish and they'll reassure you. You're barking up the wrong tree.