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2nd Attempt: 'Dog' RP - Joey Skylynx - 07-02-2012
Your name: Joey Skylynx
Your ban ID: 10978
Banned by: Killjoy
Server: All of them.
Involved:
Beflok
Blackdog
Prosto
Kai
Few others from SS/Police
Why we should unban you:
Why we should unban you:
First Unban Wrote:As far as I was told by Soul, I was banned on the grounds that I was Random Raiding, Fail RP'ing, and once again... My ban was added ontop of 12 Previous Bans.
My knowledge of what had happened:
In my greater understanding of why I was banned.. I was banned for performing an anti-contrabase tactic in which I befriend a player and act as a dog or cat.
The player usually knows that I'm still a human, but the other members of the contrafort go, "OH HE'S A DOG" and let me in. Once I'm inside I'll occasionally do things to gain trust. Sometimes hiring a sniper to do mock-shots while I call out the sniper position, telling them when their contra prints, and giving them food and such.
Notice the key here? I'm telling them things as a human being... While acting as a dog.
Now during these periods I'm usually gathering intel for FUMUKU Security, PD/SS, or someone which hires me. Some missions I do can take hours, and usually contain some serious RP while gathering evidence for the people hiring/working with me.
In the case of what I got banned for... I RP'ed a 'Dog Entity' named Lil Motz, and got into Prostos contra base.
After gathering enough evidence on Prosto and reporting everything to the Police/SS... We made our move. The SS/Police began at the gate, and I opened the doors letting them in, and they arrested Prosto and destroyed his contra. When getting ready to leave Beflok teleported to me, and brought Prosto and asked why I random raided, and such. He had to go though for some RL Troubles, and the situation went cold for roughly two hours - three hours. He never came back and talked to me on the matter and I only found out I was banned when I looked at the banned list.
What is wrong with my 'Dog RP'? Wrote:My recent ban for 1 Month and five days was do to "12 priors, FailRP, random raiding, ignoring admins" with the Fail RP being a 'dog entity' RP in which I befriended a contrafarmer and got into his base. From there I took snapshots of the contrafarmers contra, and reported it to the police. When the police arrived at the building he opened the doors, and allowed the SS/Police to come through the 1st door[he had two gates], and then let go of his button and bolted away. When he stopped to probably equip a gun I came behind him and hostage roped him. Afterward I walked up to the gate, and let the SS in to arrest him.
Make note: I never announced I wasn't human. If you actually look at the first image my job clearly states 'dog entity' this practically nullifies any argument stating, 'your confusing players'
Nudel's reply to my thread pretty much stated, "You were a dog. Case closed." now note in any of my posts regarding this whole fiasco... Never have I stated, "I wore a suit" "I wore facepaint" or "I was a dog"
CTRL+F if you want. I've never said anything about dressing up as a dog. Never. If I have correct me, but for the most part all I've done is walk around RP'ing your standard Tinfoil Hat Methhead.
Also Nudel, I really never did reply to:
Quote:Point is, you can't roleplay a dog and on the other hand be an informant for the Police, that is completely impossible.
Just think outside the box.
Now if I were to do some really sophisticated sewious rp, I would take control of the government and make a secret program which resembles the Acoustic Kitty Program from the 1960's. First off, I would hire groups/clans such as FUMUKU or SAA to do Stray Dog or Stray Cat RP. Once they are out on the streets, I would state over '/broadcast' that the Government is hiring an Animal Catcher to deal with all the stray animals. After all the animals are captured I would bring them into the medical labs and have them implemented with hearing and visual augmentations which transfer live-feeds to the Nexus.
Most of the messages would come back as:
'ANIMAL-LOCATION: Message'
'ANIMAL-LOCATION: Image URL'
I would also have the animals hooked up with a small canister inside of their nose which would spray a cocktail mixture of hormones and rabies causing them to go mentally insane and attack their owners on the command of the Nexus.
Once all these augmentations are added to the pets, the same medical staff which augmented them would open up the Evocity Humane Society. After the 'Humane Society' is set up, the animals will be slowly adopted off to homeowners around the city, and in some cases contrafarmers.
If a contrafarmer adopts the animal, the animal will form a bond with the contrafarmer and continue to progress a relationship of sorts. After a given period of time the Police Department and SS will get keypad codes, images of contra, and learn of other convicts which work with the contrafarmer.
Once the information is gathered, the SS/Police will be sent to deal with the contrafarms, but first they'll initiate the cocktail inside the animal within the contrafort. This will cause the animal to go mad, and start attacking people inside the contrafort causing mass damage within the defenses and possibly damaging morale. The SS/Police will then slam through the property with ease and destory the contrafarm and possibly kill the raging pet if it's still alive.
After about two to three pets the Humane Society will be closed down for rabies infestation, and the Police will be dispatched in a Gestapo-esque arrest system where they'll hunt down people involved with the contrafarms and move them into labor camps.
Thats how I would do it. But straying from the point... Can I please be unbanned now?
RE: 2nd Attempt: 'Dog' RP - Killjoy - 07-02-2012
You PM'd him saying "I'm a dog," and you were still randomly searching (raiding) for contraband.
RE: 2nd Attempt: 'Dog' RP - SoulRipper - 07-03-2012
Please give the accused player some chance to respond.
RE: 2nd Attempt: 'Dog' RP - Joey Skylynx - 07-03-2012
(07-02-2012, 01:13 PM)Killjoy Wrote: You PM'd him saying "I'm a dog," and you were still randomly searching (raiding) for contraband.
I don't understand.
I was allowed onto the property by Prosto when I had a crowbar out, and was saying stuff like, "Woof woof I'm a doggy
" While inside of the property I walked over to a window and saw contra inside of a building. I took a picture and sent it to the police.How is this random searching... Actually how is searching deemed as raiding when it's just being curious under reasonable suspicion?
I'm honestly confused.
Also thank you, Soul.
RE: 2nd Attempt: 'Dog' RP - Killjoy - 07-03-2012
You were told by an admin (Beflok) before this event NOT to do this.
(06-18-2012, 08:39 PM)Soul Wrote: What you should've done is accepting his statement, and write on the forums your view about it. Not argueing with an admin on the server, they're busy enough already.
And here you made it clear that you knowingly disobeyed an admins ruling on the server.
(06-18-2012, 09:40 PM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: But why should I accept a statement which is counter-productive?
Here you made it even more obvious that you were deceiving the other player on purpose
(06-20-2012, 12:22 AM)Joey Skylynx Wrote:(06-20-2012, 12:15 AM)Zzzzap Wrote: Why were you holding a crowbar if it was non-aggressive?It's usually my ~bite~ which I'll use after doing '/me growls' it's meant for RP, and I never use it unless I'm directly threatened. It's also for the fact people are normalized with cats having knifes and dogs having crowbars within Animal RP. Think of it as deception.
In your two other threads you've made it clear that you understood exactly what's been going on, trying to play dumb here and now will not help you.
RE: 2nd Attempt: 'Dog' RP - Joey Skylynx - 07-03-2012
What exactly is wrong with deceiving players?
And why are you straying off topic...? I asked, "How is this random searching... Actually how is searching deemed as raiding when it's just being curious under reasonable suspicion?"
RE: 2nd Attempt: 'Dog' RP - Killjoy - 07-03-2012
Going from house to house, looking for contraband is pretty much raiding for contra. Oh, and lets not forget that you did tie him up once you found contraband, so raiding it is.
And here's one more quote for you.
(06-23-2012, 09:11 AM)Nudelholz Wrote:(06-18-2012, 01:21 AM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: Make note: I never announced I wasn't human. If you actually look at the first image my job clearly states 'dog entity' this practically nullifies any argument stating, 'your confusing players'
You PMed people saying you were a 'doggy'. Your argument stating that dogs can't write PMs or speak and therefore people should realize you were not actually a dog is not valid. If you would PM me saying you were RPing a dog I would just go with it, I wouldn't think: Oh, he said he is a dog which means he is NOT a dog.
(06-18-2012, 01:21 AM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: 1. What is wrong with being an informant?
Nothing.
Unless you are a dog.
(06-18-2012, 01:21 AM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: 2. How exactly did I 'random raid' when I was allowed into the facility and was aiding Police/SS looking for contra?
You were a dog.
(06-18-2012, 01:21 AM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: 3. What is the judgement/guideline of bad or good RP if it falls within the rules?
That is all.
If an admin tells you NOT to do a specific RP you DON'T do it, otherwise it's FailRP and you get banned.
You asked, you didn't do what you were asked to, therefore you got banned.
(06-18-2012, 09:40 PM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: But why should I accept a statement which is counter-productive? Was I breaking rules or not obeying the RP Guideline? No.
In your mind Soul... Why would you prevent a Passive RP?
Also - Why would I deserve a month ban for passive rp'ing....?
You were a dog.
(06-18-2012, 10:36 PM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: If a dog is talking to you, it ain't a dog.
Let me quote myself:
"You PMed people saying you were a 'doggy'. Your argument stating that dogs can't write PMs or speak and therefore people should realize you were not actually a dog is not valid. If you would PM me saying you were RPing a dog I would just go with it, I wouldn't think: Oh, he said he is a dog which means he is NOT a dog."
(06-18-2012, 10:36 PM)Joey Skylynx Wrote:Beflok Wrote:The user you went and raided thought so as he said in ooc "I found a dog in a gas mask "
He found me and let me in... Doesn't that provide I didn't raid?(A matter of fact... I called the Police/SS)
You tricked somebody into thinking that you were a dog ICly. As dogs normally don't call the police via their mobile or in any other way he did not think of you as a risk and therefore let you in.
Point is, you can't roleplay a dog and on the other hand be an informant for the Police, that is completely impossible. Ever tried to go up to Sicily and walk through the streets as a dog to trick a Mafia guy into bringing you to his home, wearing a dog costume or how exactly is that possible again? I've never mistaken a HUMAN for a DOG, did you?
(06-18-2012, 10:36 PM)Joey Skylynx Wrote:Beflok Wrote:A lot of people try to RP as animals so when you bark IC and tell them over pm that you are a dog I can see why they would be confused if all the sudden this dog in their minds was taking pictures and tying them up.
I also said numerous things over IC and PM[PM is IC] to provide I was human. 'Dog Entity' alone should set off some alarms.
I think people just assumed you were playing a dog and to communicate with them you were writing proper words instead of just spamming the chat with "BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK!" - wouldn't be that much of RP would it? Well, maybe if you explain me how to RP an informant without actually being able to talk or write or do anything to get a message to somebody.
(06-18-2012, 10:36 PM)Joey Skylynx Wrote:Beflok Wrote:Some players hardly understand english let alone "entitys".
Server's defined language is English. The word entity and entities is used in similar fashion with minor differences in every Romance/Germanic Language.
I second beflok here, I'm german and I can't give you a translation for entity. I know what it means in the game but I don't speak for everybody. There will be enough kids out there who have no idea about this.
(06-18-2012, 10:36 PM)Joey Skylynx Wrote:Beflok Wrote:You clearly should have at least discussed it with me or another admin instead of disobeying a ruling on the matter.
You practically said 'No' when I asked 'Why..?' IIRC.
He said "NO." - you did it anyway, why are you wondering about the ban?
(06-20-2012, 12:04 AM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: 1.) I worked out a plan of how I would get into the base.
Tricking somebody into thinking that you were an animal (ICly and OOCly).
"Hey" - "Heya, I'm a dog, want to let me into your base." - "Sure! Awesome, a pet!" - /me gets out a gun "Sorry, I'm not actually a dog, I'm a CIA agent." - "What kind of sorcery is this?"
(06-20-2012, 12:04 AM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: 2.) I set up a fake alias and gained trust with the base's owner.
Again: you were a DOG.
(06-20-2012, 12:04 AM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: 3.) The new gained trust gave me entry too the base.
Yep.
(06-20-2012, 12:04 AM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: 4.) I crouch-bounced around the base acting as a dog an annoying little dog.
Making him think you were a dog, as I said.
(06-20-2012, 12:04 AM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: 5.) When I saw contra through the window I took two snapshots.
6.) I sent the snapshots to the SS/Police and told them the player to arrest and his position.
Right. That's where the dog suddenly gets human, you have to explain that to me.
(06-20-2012, 12:04 AM)Joey Skylynx Wrote: How is this Fail RP...? That is all I'm asking.
Unless we are in Hogwarts and you made a magic drink with a hair of a dog which turns you into one for a couple of hours and then transforms you back into a human, unless this happened... it's FailRP. Sorry.
I think your questions have been answered, if not, well sorry, I'm turning back into a kangaroo now and will just jump around and act stupid, if you get too close I will eventually punch you. Definitely punch you, sorry.
Oh yes, last question you had, why is this not in our rules?
Mate. Do you want us to write into the rules:
You can't RP the following animals:
Spoiler :
Fact is, if you want to RP an animal - fine RP one, but STAY AN ANIMAL. Don't trick people into thinking you actually RP a dog and then just RPing as a normal human.
You expect people to get your completely illogical RP, how would they know that you are not a dog when you tell them you are one?
If you want to RP one, the only word you will use in the chat is "bark", if you want to explain things to people you use LOOC.
This behavior plus your previous 11 bans do justify a 30days ban from the server. The ban length is explained by the amount of bans you already had before this one.
I think everything should be explained now which is why I will close this.
RE: 2nd Attempt: 'Dog' RP - Joey Skylynx - 07-03-2012
Quote:Going from house to house, looking for contraband is pretty much raiding for contra.So if someone has reasonable suspicion for contra activity and stands by the area listening for contra noises, they are random raiding.
Does that make sense...? In lame-man terms, someone must gather evidence before conducting any form of raiding. If gathering evidence through contra noises, visual proof, and otherwise is considered random raiding, then doing anything against contrafarming would be considered a bannable offense.
Nice contradiction.
Also... I wasn't a dog.
I never wore a suit, I never put on face-paint, I never bothered with doing some stupid magical hogwarts stuff. I just requested permission to enter someones property while saying, "hey im a dog woof woof" if people willingly submit themselves and allow some random psychopath on their property... Fair game.
RE: 2nd Attempt: 'Dog' RP - Killjoy - 07-03-2012
The entire discussion in the previous two threads was about how you confused the other players to thinking that you're RP'ing to be a dog. If they had thought you're 100% human, they would've told you sob off.
Stop being a c*** about it, you know very well what you did wrong and you're just trying to find some way to wash it off.
I'm done discussing this, just gonna leave the thread open in case anybody else from staff has anything to say about the case.
Edit: Just to be clear, I oppose any unbanning, shortening of bans or other soft approaches to Joey here. 13 bans. Time to learn how to behave.
RE: 2nd Attempt: 'Dog' RP - Joey Skylynx - 07-04-2012
Quote:The entire discussion in the previous two threads was about how you confused the other players to thinking that you're RP'ing to be a dog. If they had thought you're 100% human, they would've told you sob off.And I have to keep pointing out, "Yes it worked then."
I never dressed up, put on facepaint, or any of that. All I had to do was pm some random person saying, "Woof woof I'm a doggy" "Bark bark doggy" and somehow magically was let into someones property. I don't understand how or why tricking people is a bannable offense.
Quote:Stop being a c*** about it, you know very well what you did wrong and you're just trying to find some way to wash it off.I just kinda wanna point this out... Your telling me that '13 bans! Time to behave!' when one of my 13 bans was because I called someone a c*** on OOC. Not very professional, amigo.
I'm done discussing this, just gonna leave the thread open in case anybody else from staff has anything to say about the case.
Edit: Just to be clear, I oppose any unbanning, shortening of bans or other soft approaches to Joey here. 13 bans. Time to learn how to behave.