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RE: Suggestion - Allow Police to use M4 - Freezak - 10-31-2013
Police has access to good enough weapons, mp5 should be enough, most of the times it's even better for me than M4 but that doesn't matter, we might aswell gradually give police more weapons one by one, but i see no point in this. Police got additional weapon - shotgun, and that's enough. -Support
RE: Suggestion - Allow Police to use M4 - Gandhi - 10-31-2013
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In England, the average police officer doesn't even have a gun (They usually have: A baton, cs spray and some cuffs.)
Only the armed response units have firearms.
To think that in Evocity that every policeman will be going around with M4's seems too over powered and it makes the SRU kinda useless.
Finally I think that if a Police officer is even in a scenario that requires the use of an M4, There should be more than one police officer there or maybe even the SRU.
RE: Suggestion - Allow Police to use M4 - Kulthro - 10-31-2013
I also want to add that there's no reason that the police need an m4. They're not meant to kill people, but to enforce the law. And as stated above, if it's bad enough that you need an m4 as a police officer, call in the sru, or a clan organization that's rping with the government.
RE: Suggestion - Allow Police to use M4 - Nevy - 11-01-2013
(10-31-2013, 06:48 PM)The_Ghandi_Floss Wrote: [size=xx-large]-support[/size]
In England, the average police officer doesn't even have a gun (They usually have: A baton, cs spray and some cuffs.)
Lets face the facts… that is the least effective way to stop crime.
If one of those officers came into a situation where he was facing an armed robbery, there is nothing he can do. The guy is not going to run up and pepperspray the guy in the eyes.
In America, we deal with real criminals, therefore our officers are more armed.
Having officers with M4's is NOT OVERPOWERED. Compare it to the fact that criminals have access to many more weapons that the police cannot use, and that could easily overpower any officer alone.
-Galil
-AWP
-Tranq Sniper
-AK47
-AUG
There are many more weapons that non-government can use, and can easily take on any police challenge at the moment. Another thing to consider is the fact that not every cop will use an m4.
SRU is a highly armed tactical team that should not be called for backup in routine house searches, or even small police raids. The police should be able to handle the normal situation, but are currently subjected to overpowered criminal groups. Criminals have the ability to use kevlar, and better weapons.
RE: Suggestion - Allow Police to use M4 - Enzyme - 11-01-2013
(11-01-2013, 03:33 PM)Nevinator Wrote: snip
Well the police-officers in FLRP aren't ment to be heavily armed law enforcers. We have the SRU for the tough situations. If we give police M4s then what will be the difference between the SRU and police? The skins? The riot shield?
Police already have access to MP5s and shotguns. This is more than enough.
Police aren't ment to be heavily armed and deal with serious threats.. That's why we have the SRU team.
I'm still -supporting policeofficers getting access to m4 assault rifles, as I've yet to see a good and valid point to why they should actually get access to it.
RE: Suggestion - Allow Police to use M4 - Freezak - 11-01-2013
(11-01-2013, 03:33 PM)Nevinator Wrote:(10-31-2013, 06:48 PM)The_Ghandi_Floss Wrote: [size=xx-large]-support[/size]
In England, the average police officer doesn't even have a gun (They usually have: A baton, cs spray and some cuffs.)
Lets face the facts… that is the least effective way to stop crime.
If one of those officers came into a situation where he was facing an armed robbery, there is nothing he can do. The guy is not going to run up and pepperspray the guy in the eyes.
In America, we deal with real criminals, therefore our officers are more armed.
Having officers with M4's is NOT OVERPOWERED. Compare it to the fact that criminals have access to many more weapons that the police cannot use, and that could easily overpower any officer alone.
-Galil
-AWP
-Tranq Sniper
-AK47
-AUG
There are many more weapons that non-government can use, and can easily take on any police challenge at the moment. Another thing to consider is the fact that not every cop will use an m4.
SRU is a highly armed tactical team that should not be called for backup in routine house searches, or even small police raids. The police should be able to handle the normal situation, but are currently subjected to overpowered criminal groups. Criminals have the ability to use kevlar, and better weapons.
America, America, America. FL is not just american, let's compare it to most of the police units - they use MP5 and other sub-machine guns in such situations, and they DO call for reinforcements (special forces for high risk situations or just other heavily armed police forces, which are NOT standard issue police officers).
Quote:In America, we deal with real criminals
Oh too bad. We have a paradise in Europe though, criminals are walking with water pistols and you can count them with fingers of one hand. But seriously: In Europe, specific countries, we deal with real criminals aswell and it's not like there is more crime in America (not sure if you talk about whole continent or just one country, which is called United States of America) than in other continents/countries.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBc4c_Vty5s
"BOA (Bureau of counter-terrorism operations) is a Polish elite anti-terrorist unit dedicated to combating organized crime and in making the arrests to the Central Bureau of Investigation and other Polish non-governmental agencies' own anti-terrorist subdivisions".
As you can see on the video THEY are using weapons like M4, even MP5.
That's why i would like to keep the NORMAL police officers away from M4. There is alot of government RP, a citizen with specific custom job can work for it and help the police.
Quote:criminals have access to many more weapons that the police cannot use, and that could easily overpower any officer alone.
I see no problem with MP5, it's a really good weapon and i outperformed M4 with it not just once. As i said, if you are in a high risk situation, you call for a Special Service Unit, i see no benefits in giving the ability for police to use M4, limiting RP of other jobs isn't one.
Quote:Criminals have the ability to use kevlarYes, they have the ability to use kevlar which they must buy, while you have it for free, everytime you die.
Quote:The police should be able to handle the normal situation, but are currently subjected to [b]overpowered criminal groups.
If specific criminal group is heavily armed, i doubt it's a normal situation, it's high risk one, situation when SRU should be called.
RE: Suggestion - Allow Police to use M4 - Adman - 11-01-2013
(11-01-2013, 03:33 PM)Nevinator Wrote: In America, we deal with real criminals, therefore our officers are more armed.
Wut.
RE: Suggestion - Allow Police to use M4 - Eisenhorn - 11-03-2013
Interesting that you say the mp5 is a weaker alternative.
In terms of wound cavitation and penetration you are both right and wrong, an M4A1 firing 5.56x45mm is more likely to penetrate body armour, however it is a lighter round, and the availability of hollowpoint in the 9x19mm calibre for the mp5 can cause significantly more wound cavitation.
Another reason the police and special forces use the mp5 is due to what is called over penetration, this is where the round exits the first target and hits another, maybe a hostage, or penetrates surrounding walls and enters areas outside the scene.
SWAT teams in America are no more heavily armed than any specialist police unit in Europe, and your criminals are not anymore hardened than those encountered in the UK or elsewhere, we have just as much gang crime, a few years back we had officers shot with an AK47 and attacked with hand grenades. On a side-note police here are actually carrying everything from g36c's to SIG carbines.
But I'm afraid I can't see a reason to arm them with an m4 in server it's a weak weapon, does much less damage than the ak and the UMP, and the mp5/UMP are both available to the police and fit the role adequately, so it's a -support from me.
RE: Suggestion - Allow Police to use M4 - Toxic - 11-04-2013
(10-30-2013, 07:07 PM)kakcraft Wrote:(10-30-2013, 06:49 PM)Generation Wrote: -snip-
Look at 4:10-4:15 / 4:50-4:55
Cops clearly use M4s!
+Support
Because movies tell the truth
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/06/08/article-2338156-1A37E99F000005DC-388_634x347.jpg
http://media.arkansasonline.com/img/photos/2011/06/07/rifle2__t598.JPG?b7052f07a6139e7088ebc43100469802b2560d37
http://media.timesfreepress.com/img/photos/2013/01/17/webcrop_0117_malo_police_rifles11_t350_233_t618.jpg?ba5b5b122dd3d37cc13d83e92a6a0ec0d5bfa32a
Doesn't mean it isn't accurate.
RE: Suggestion - Allow Police to use M4 - Gandhi - 11-04-2013
(11-01-2013, 03:33 PM)Nevinator Wrote:(10-31-2013, 06:48 PM)The_Ghandi_Floss Wrote: [size=xx-large]-support[/size]
In England, the average police officer doesn't even have a gun (They usually have: A baton, cs spray and some cuffs.)
Lets face the facts… that is the least effective way to stop crime.
If one of those officers came into a situation where he was facing an armed robbery, there is nothing he can do. The guy is not going to run up and pepperspray the guy in the eyes.
In America, we deal with real criminals, therefore our officers are more armed.
Having officers with M4's is NOT OVERPOWERED. Compare it to the fact that criminals have access to many more weapons that the police cannot use, and that could easily overpower any officer alone.
-Galil
-AWP
-Tranq Sniper
-AK47
-AUG
There are many more weapons that non-government can use, and can easily take on any police challenge at the moment. Another thing to consider is the fact that not every cop will use an m4.
SRU is a highly armed tactical team that should not be called for backup in routine house searches, or even small police raids. The police should be able to handle the normal situation, but are currently subjected to overpowered criminal groups. Criminals have the ability to use kevlar, and better weapons.
If there is an armed robbery, rather than the officer running into the crime scene, He would radio in and ask for the Armed response unit. Also it is very difficult for people to get firearms in England unless it's contraband.
Finally In England We have fewer accidental police murders due to the fact that firearms are only used when needed.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/women-accidentally-shot-cops-york-citys-times-square/story?id=20261689