Terms of Servic Wrote:5.1. Usage of Donations. As stated in Section 5.0, all donations are optional on the user's behalf, and considered a gift. We are not required to provide any services in return for donations, though we have preset packages as detailed in Section 5.0.
5.3. Refund policies. Unless otherwise provided by law, all donations are final and non-refundable.

(07-05-2013, 02:44 PM)Doomdude1 Wrote:

Terms of Servic Wrote:5.1. Usage of Donations. As stated in Section 5.0, all donations are optional on the user's behalf, and considered a gift. We are not required to provide any services in return for donations, though we have preset packages as detailed in Section 5.0.
5.3. Refund policies. Unless otherwise provided by law, all donations are final and non-refundable.

(07-05-2013, 03:10 PM)Exiscion Wrote:

(07-05-2013, 02:44 PM)Doomdude1 Wrote:

Terms of Servic Wrote:5.1. Usage of Donations. As stated in Section 5.0, all donations are optional on the user's behalf, and considered a gift. We are not required to provide any services in return for donations, though we have preset packages as detailed in Section 5.0.
5.3. Refund policies. Unless otherwise provided by law, all donations are final and non-refundable.

He never said you were required to refund anything. He was asking if not you too thought it reasonable that a refund for the 3 days that we weren't able to play on the server was in order. Yet you throw terms of agreement in his face as if this was a business and not a community. Not to mention that you say that you are not required to provide services. Now that is just sad to be reading. Everybody knows that people who donates wants to be able to wear suits and use the other accessories provided from donation. If you think that a donation is anything but a purchase, then you are blind.

But sure. if you want to deny him this small refund of 3 days, and show all this is a matter of greediness and not fairness then go ahead.

Wikipedia on Donation Wrote:-A donation is a gift given by physical or legal persons, typically for charitable purposes and/or to benefit a cause. A donation may take various forms, including cash offering, services, new or used goods including clothing, toys, food, and vehicles.

-Donations are given without return consideration. This lack of return consideration means that, in common law, an agreement to make a donation is an "imperfect contract void for want of consideration.

Thesaurus.com Wrote:Main Entry: donation  [doh-ney-shuhn]
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: gift
Synonyms: a hand, aid, allowance, alms...

FL Donation Index Wrote:By donating you will help the server financially. To show our appreciation we will give donator status or moneypacks as gift. With donator status you have more ingame benefits than non-donators. After you've made your donation, your account will be automatically updated. If you still have any questions or if you want additional information, feel free to ask the owner. By donating you agree with our Terms of Service. Donating is done via PayPal.

Terms of Service Wrote:Fearless does not provide any purchases or subscriptions, nor does Fearless conduct any sales or other such financial transactions. We do accept donations, and are not required to provide any services in return, nor will we issue refunds. Fearless is not a business, we provide our Services to you without charge, and any and all donations are entirely optional.

We provide preset packages which we may provide you as a token of gratitude for your donation, however Fearless reserves to right to not provide these services at any time.

All donations are considered a gift to Fearless, and are acquired legally and taxed via our payment provider.

(07-05-2013, 03:21 PM)Doomdude1 Wrote:

(07-05-2013, 03:10 PM)Exiscion Wrote:

(07-05-2013, 02:44 PM)Doomdude1 Wrote:

Terms of Servic Wrote:5.1. Usage of Donations. As stated in Section 5.0, all donations are optional on the user's behalf, and considered a gift. We are not required to provide any services in return for donations, though we have preset packages as detailed in Section 5.0.
5.3. Refund policies. Unless otherwise provided by law, all donations are final and non-refundable.

He never said you were required to refund anything. He was asking if not you too thought it reasonable that a refund for the 3 days that we weren't able to play on the server was in order. Yet you throw terms of agreement in his face as if this was a business and not a community. Not to mention that you say that you are not required to provide services. Now that is just sad to be reading. Everybody knows that people who donates wants to be able to wear suits and use the other accessories provided from donation. If you think that a donation is anything but a purchase, then you are blind.

But sure. if you want to deny him this small refund of 3 days, and show all this is a matter of greediness and not fairness then go ahead.

I'm sorry, how are you the authority on how Fearless operates regarding donations? Let me give you a little lecture.

1. By clicking the button donate you agree with our ToS

2. Let's analyze the word "Donation" shall we?

Wikipedia on Donation Wrote:-A donation is a gift given by physical or legal persons, typically for charitable purposes and/or to benefit a cause. A donation may take various forms, including cash offering, services, new or used goods including clothing, toys, food, and vehicles.

-Donations are given without return consideration. This lack of return consideration means that, in common law, an agreement to make a donation is an "imperfect contract void for want of consideration.

Thesaurus.com Wrote:Main Entry: donation  [doh-ney-shuhn]
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: gift
Synonyms: a hand, aid, allowance, alms...

The recent DDoS attacks have in no way been caused or provoked by the Fearless community, they the result of certain people having too much time on their hands. I might also remind you that a very large portion of our player-base have the "Donor" status and they are not complaining. Simple, the recent attacks are one of the down sides of being one of the biggest functioning GMod communities.



Now please, as they say, step down.

(07-05-2013, 03:10 PM)Exiscion Wrote:

(07-05-2013, 02:44 PM)Doomdude1 Wrote:

Terms of Servic Wrote:5.1. Usage of Donations. As stated in Section 5.0, all donations are optional on the user's behalf, and considered a gift. We are not required to provide any services in return for donations, though we have preset packages as detailed in Section 5.0.
5.3. Refund policies. Unless otherwise provided by law, all donations are final and non-refundable.

He never said you were required to refund anything. He was asking if not you too thought it reasonable that a refund for the 3 days that we weren't able to play on the server was in order. Yet you throw terms of agreement in his face as if this was a business and not a community. Not to mention that you say that you are not required to provide services. Now that is just sad to be reading. Everybody knows that people who donates wants to be able to wear suits and use the other accessories provided from donation. If you think that a donation is anything but a purchase, then you are blind.

But sure. if you want to deny him this small refund of 3 days, and show all this is a matter of greediness and not fairness then go ahead.

(07-05-2013, 03:36 PM)Fiblez Wrote:

(07-05-2013, 03:10 PM)Exiscion Wrote:

(07-05-2013, 02:44 PM)Doomdude1 Wrote:

Terms of Servic Wrote:5.1. Usage of Donations. As stated in Section 5.0, all donations are optional on the user's behalf, and considered a gift. We are not required to provide any services in return for donations, though we have preset packages as detailed in Section 5.0.
5.3. Refund policies. Unless otherwise provided by law, all donations are final and non-refundable.

He never said you were required to refund anything. He was asking if not you too thought it reasonable that a refund for the 3 days that we weren't able to play on the server was in order. Yet you throw terms of agreement in his face as if this was a business and not a community. Not to mention that you say that you are not required to provide services. Now that is just sad to be reading. Everybody knows that people who donates wants to be able to wear suits and use the other accessories provided from donation. If you think that a donation is anything but a purchase, then you are blind.

But sure. if you want to deny him this small refund of 3 days, and show all this is a matter of greediness and not fairness then go ahead.

The suits and perks that come along with donation are merely a way to say thanks for helping out the community, by donating we agree to the fact that we are simply giving resources to keep the community alive. You shouldn't donate just because you want cool stuff. You should do it because you love the community and want to keep it up and running. If you read the terms and conditions which we agree to before donating you will find that this is the case. If you don't actually give a damn about the communitie's well being, and you don't know what your signing up for as a donator then don't donate in the first place. What happened is perfectly fair. We have a no refund policy which people who read the agreement are well aware of. This means that if anything is to happen that inhibits you from playing on the servers such as them being down, damage to your operating system, or an in game suspension provided by an administrator.
That the FL staff is not responsible for refunding you in either your purchase or time lost of your donator status. Read the things that you agree to, before you go off on the staff about how they are "greedy and unfair" this matter this is. When in reality you are the one calling helping out the community "Simply a purchase" implying that you do not donate for anything but your own self gain.

(07-05-2013, 03:36 PM)Exiscion Wrote: let me just stop you before you dig up more rules and laws on donation. Since i can see your quite fond of that defense mechanism. This was just me asking doomdude to stop using rules as if we are just customers. Seeing that you say a donation is about gratitude. How can you not see it reasonable that he may get your "gratitude" extended 3 days. You don't seem very appreciative of his donation if you just mow him down with your archive of rules.